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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by LoopStationZebra » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:38 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
LoopStationZebra wrote:BTW, every other big tech company has people on staff that are just as talented..just as smart..just as creative..as anyone who's ever worked at Apple.
Not at all the case IMO. Having been to Apple HQ and having a friend that worked there, there was/is a difference in corporate culture that goes beyond Steve Jobs. This simple analogy holds true, I've worked at redneck brutal jobs where the boss literally goose stepped around the place, and jobs where it was incredibly laid back, but the culture of the company was driven and dedicated. Apple fits into the later. So whether they have the people doesn't matter as far as the culture that was/is in place.

Wait. What? Aren't we kinda saying the same things in a few of these points?

A culture that goes 'beyond' Steve Jobs may be true, but it was Jobs who literally built that culture. No one else. Or, rather, 'rebuilt' when he returned to Apple. Without Jobs' return, they would have remained the uber fragmented monsterous mess in which he found them.

Now that he's gone, one can only hope that he managed to truly change the culture and mindset in a permanent way. I'm not so sure he did. Examples in the social, political, and corporate world are numerous with respect to failings in this regard.
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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by Khazul » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:54 pm

Machinesworking wrote:So whether they have the people doesn't matter as far as the culture that was/is in place.
Yeh - you get what those companies are like when the original visionary is still running them, and job wise there is nothing like it - especially if you actually get to work directly with the guy in charge. Guess if your in seatle - you've probably met a few of the folks form the company there?

But sadly hes gone and a business d00d will be running things from here on in, so I guess now it will slowly change over the next 5 years or so.

Vision doesnt just have to be about technology and stragegy - vision to spot the right people and motivate them appropriately, be an inspiration to them, spot the right marketing plan for the product and the time, product name ("iPhone" 4S vs "iPhone 5" for example) you name it - all stuff where typically the number guys focussed on the current and next quater's revenue tend to fail at.

In 3 years - the annual employee breifing will be about the bottom line instead of the latest cool idea. I know - bleak for those who work there.
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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by Hidden Driveways » Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:48 pm

beats me wrote:Unaired Steve Jobs narrated commercial from 1997.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rwsuXHA ... r_embedded

Brilliant.
Here's a really on-point comment from the YT video:
don't be sad that it's over, be glad that? it happened.


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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by H20nly » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:05 pm

Khazul wrote:In 3 years - the annual employee breifing will be about the bottom line instead of the latest cool idea. I know - bleak for those who work there.
sad, but unfortunately probably true...

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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by beats me » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:19 pm

H20nly wrote:
Khazul wrote:In 3 years - the annual employee breifing will be about the bottom line instead of the latest cool idea. I know - bleak for those who work there.
sad, but unfortunately probably true...

There’s always been bottom line employee meetings at Apple. These just aren’t the meetings the public hears about. You really think the reason Apple has lowered the price on their products over the last couple of years is because Steve said “You know what? The haters are right. Our products are unjustifiably overpriced. So let’s just shave off a couple hundred bucks because they’re right.“??

Fuck no. They had to go in and bottom line the shit out of Asian manufacturing to reduce cost. Now they’re doing the same in South America. This is what Tim Cook does. And with him at the helm and the rate he is going he’ll bottom line the shit out of the globe to the point that we’ll be manufacturing Apple products in the US again with the help of the Republicans’ “Hey, it’s a fucking job. Take it and shut up.” stimulus package. :x

“I could make more money flipping burgers, but it couldn’t touch the pride I have knowing I personally installed the 3D holographic camera on 345,758 iPad 7’s. Thank you America and thank you Apple.” :x

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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by Machinesworking » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:24 pm

LoopStationZebra wrote: Wait. What? Aren't we kinda saying the same things in a few of these points?
Of course, a discussion can include mild disagreement, something the internet hasn't figured out yet I guess?
A culture that goes 'beyond' Steve Jobs may be true, but it was Jobs who literally built that culture. No one else. Or, rather, 'rebuilt' when he returned to Apple. Without Jobs' return, they would have remained the uber fragmented monsterous mess in which he found them.
Possibly, one thing is for sure, Jobs had a vision, and that included hiring a single great designer to unify the branding of the hardware behind. That might be the most obvious decision he made that shaped the direction Apple headed in. <-- plus using unix/bsd architecture in the computers. In both cases he curated other peoples ideas, which is a talent, but in effect he more or less didn't invent the wheel, he just chose the best one for the job.
Now that he's gone, one can only hope that he managed to truly change the culture and mindset in a permanent way. I'm not so sure he did. Examples in the social, political, and corporate world are numerous with respect to failings in this regard.
What's even worse than that, and why I'm even talking about it at all is that no matter how fucking amazingly cool the new designs for Apples next products are people will either think "Steve Jobs probably left some notes on what he wanted for this device." or if they're not that crazy about it they will chant that the dream is over. In fact this will be even worse when the first device comes out that falls flat of peoples expectations. Jobs announced and was privy to some pretty lame looking pieces of hardware (first LCD iMac was a desk lamp! :roll: ), but because of the cult of personality that people are prone to, he could bounce back from a failed device like the Cube. Unfortunately because of that same human condition, Apple now has to be faultless for at least ten years to not have it's stocks shocked horribly.

For the record I started using Macs again a few years before Jobs came back, with a Power Computing Powerbase 180, which was screamingly fast at the time, they traded a little graphics power for a better Power PC chip, which for a musician made sense. First thing Jobs did after getting the Gates pay off money was to buy Power Computing, break up the company, hire half the employees and fire the rest. Low end Macs became candy colored and underpowered until recently, Jobs then spent the next five years claiming that Power PC chips were faster than X86, then announcing the transition to Intel... Great businessman for sure, but it will conversely be interesting to see if any of his private pet obsessive fixations are now slowly done away with. Maybe not anything as big as Lion on regular PCs or Flash on an iPhone, but little things.

Here's some good news for you though. :)
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/a ... AQV5NetFJP
Christ if he ever leaves then they really are sunk. :x

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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by heavensdaw » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:26 pm

Some Inspiring words from Steve Jobs.

"Because almost everything–all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure–these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart."

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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by H20nly » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:40 pm

beats me wrote: the pride I have
beats i think you missed the point somewhere between the brain cell labeled "i love apple" and the one labeled "fight or flight".

of course the company has and is always going to view the bottom line, but some CEOs are for the product and some are for the dollar. you can argue that they are about both and you will of course be right, but tendencies become clear over time. don't believe me? have a glance at Apple's history. besides, these things go in cycles anyway, it's bound to happen. any and almost every good company that makes a solid product and has good support ends up cutting corners and degrading because they think we won't notice. when the cash flow starts heading in another direction either they shape up... or they sink on. see Gateway, Ford and so on...

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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by beats me » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:13 pm

H20nly wrote:
beats me wrote: the pride I have
beats i think you missed the point somewhere between the brain cell labeled "i love apple" and the one labeled "fight or flight".

of course the company has and is always going to view the bottom line, but some CEOs are for the product and some are for the dollar. you can argue that they are about both and you will of course be right, but tendencies become clear over time. don't believe me? have a glance at Apple's history. besides, these things go in cycles anyway, it's bound to happen. any and almost every good company that makes a solid product and has good support ends up cutting corners and degrading because they think we won't notice. when the cash flow starts heading in another direction either they shape up... or they sink on. see Gateway, Ford and so on...

But we’re ignoring another important variable. At this point all Apple’s competition is SHIT by comparison. Apple can drop a few balls and still be on top. Maybe God Himself even realized Apple’s quality dominance was getting out of control with no end in sight so he had to call Steve home in an attempt to level the playing field. :P

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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by Pitch Black » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:14 pm

Charlie Rose is currently replaying an 1996 interview with Jobs and John Lassiter about Pixar, pre his return to Apple. Interesting thoughts on creativity/technology.

http://www.charlierose.com

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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by ikeaboy » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:13 am

Pitch Black wrote:Charlie Rose is currently replaying an 1996 interview with Jobs and John Lassiter about Pixar, pre his return to Apple. Interesting thoughts on creativity/technology.

http://www.charlierose.com
I couldn't watch that in Ireland for some reason but I found it here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E29v8vF0u-8

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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by LoopStationZebra » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:09 pm

Machinesworking wrote: Here's some good news for you though. :)
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/a ... AQV5NetFJP
Christ if he ever leaves then they really are sunk. :x

Yeah, nice. Hadn't seen that yet. I know there's been rumors swirling, but....

I loved the Cube!

:lol: :x
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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by Machinesworking » Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:03 pm

LoopStationZebra wrote:
Machinesworking wrote: Here's some good news for you though. :)
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/a ... AQV5NetFJP
Christ if he ever leaves then they really are sunk. :x

Yeah, nice. Hadn't seen that yet. I know there's been rumors swirling, but....

I loved the Cube!

:lol: :x
Yeah I was planning on buying one! :lol: Seemed like a good in between device for stage work. The mac Mini is to severely underpowered.
My almost 5 year old macbook pro is as powerful as a brand new Mac Mini. That, is just wrong. The good side of that is new OS have to be tested on the Mini so older machines won't lag like the G3's did with OSX....

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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

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Re: RIP Steve Jobs

Post by simpleton » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:03 am

All that remains now is... will he have a proper Buddhist burial?
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