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^ the scary part is... all the copy cats that this "craze" will spawn... will not be doing a parody.

simmerdown wrote:

...a new culture/style of music.

where is the 'new' part...seems to be western pop, overdubbed, and regurgitated back to us...if it were a representation of actual K-culture, i daresay the pop world would want nothing to do with it

even the female stereotypes, the materialist bs...thats stolen/borrowed, not new...cliche' to the max yo

The fact it is often written by Koreans, in the Korean language, and performed by Koreans makes it K-pop. And from what I've seen beyond Gangnam Style, there is much of what is distinctly Korean in their popular culture beneath the familiar sounds and sights to those us in the west. They are creators and innovators as much as anyone else is. The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Elvis etc all borrowed heavily from other artists. Pop music, as well as rock, is from black folks. A group of people who were treated like crap by the west until sometime around 1970. And I daresay the "pop world" is now global, and not "western".

Should Scottish bands all be playing bagpipes and wearing kilts when they perform?

humnumb wrote:Should Scottish bands all be playing bagpipes and wearing kilts when they perform?

of course! anything less would be unacceptable! S-Pop has a dress code.

Psy performing two days ago to a massive crowd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnQBklMocFo
Looks pretty intense when they all start jumping as the horsey dance kicks in.

wait, it's a parody? that fits, but a parody of what?

if psy, or even all of k-pop, make a lasting impact, like Led Zep or the Beatles i will eat my f**cking hat, right before i shoot myself

a parody of Western pop. The lyrics. And its also making fun of the rich Koreans in the Gangnam province. I don't know the details, but from his interviews this seems to be the general idea.

simmerdown wrote:
if psy, or even all of k-pop, make a lasting impact, like Led Zep or the Beatles i will eat my f**cking hat, right before i shoot myself

Yes let's just be closed minded and ignore the music of an entire nation because it wasn't made by young men in britian between 1960 and 1970.

now you are just grasping at straws, i would not have even mentioned those bands in the same thread

actually very openminded, just watched that live vid, the whole thing...ppl are obviously very into it, but i think i know a flash-in-the-pan when i see it...if i'm wrong, more power to him, seems like a personable, humble guy...

humnumb wrote:

simmerdown wrote:

...a new culture/style of music.

where is the 'new' part...seems to be western pop, overdubbed, and regurgitated back to us...if it were a representation of actual K-culture, i daresay the pop world would want nothing to do with it

even the female stereotypes, the materialist bs...thats stolen/borrowed, not new...cliche' to the max yo

The fact it is often written by Koreans, in the Korean language, and performed by Koreans makes it K-pop. And from what I've seen beyond Gangnam Style, there is much of what is distinctly Korean in their popular culture beneath the familiar sounds and sights to those us in the west. They are creators and innovators as much as anyone else is. The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Elvis etc all borrowed heavily from other artists. Pop music, as well as rock, is from black folks. A group of people who were treated like crap by the west until sometime around 1970. And I daresay the "pop world" is now global, and not "western".

Should Scottish bands all be playing bagpipes and wearing kilts when they perform?

But I have to agree that from my sampling of K-pop, other than language there's absolutely nothing that makes it uniquely Korean. Not complaining about that, but I don't think they can claim most of it as their own.

This begs the question what has the non-Western world brought to the music stage lately that is unique and not just peppering the sound with instruments and instrumentation that goes back 100+ years in their history? This goes in line with your bagpipe question. I'm talking something on par with Blues up through Dub Step which in all of music history is a very short time period. Have we missed that outside the the Western world because of isolation or it just didn't happen outside the Western world?

I think you know that music has evolved outside the Western world.

Yes you missed what's going on outside the Western world in music. Not that that's something to blame you for, but don't assume that just because you haven't heard it, it doesn't exist.

...other than language there's absolutely nothing that makes it uniquely Korean

...or unique at all...if there is, then what?

volx757 wrote:I think you know that music has evolved outside the Western world.

Yes you missed what's going on outside the Western world in music. Not that that's something to blame you for, but don't assume that just because you haven't heard it, it doesn't exist.

Well where is this music that isn't just repurposing sitars and kugos over house beats?

good answer