Gun control? We need medication control!!!!!

[stringtapper]

Killing someone via a drone isn't any more noble than killing someone as a suicide bomber.

I'm sure it's a hell of a lot more fun though!

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actually, this is why we're fucked right here:



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actually, this is why we're fucked right here:



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God, the brain washing starts early so by the time they get into high school they have the " I want to see some action attitude."

[Machinesworking]

Is the very existence of the category 'psychopath' something you say does not/should not exist, MW?

Do you doubt that otherwise 'well brought up' children with no trauma in their family lives are sometimes found secretly torturing kittens?

If not and (like the psychological sciences) you acknowledge these individuals are at least out there (and don't want them victimised), what do you think we can do to live alongside them safely?

This thread is out of hand, and I only now had the time to sort through all the windbaggery to reply.
The clinical term psychopath has not ever been proven to be of genetic origin, and in many cases these people are non violent. A simple wiki search gets you that much information. So, you've ascribed violence to the term and a genetic predisposition, as well as your fear that they are the reasons for all the problems in the world. Well considering your lack of concern for research or facts I would recommend you start an almost religiously fervent, strident political organization to eventually put them in concentration camps away from society. Oh, I'm sorry you said islands didn't you?

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And the truth comes out. Just as I suspected.

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"Friends of the family said he suffered from Asperger's syndrome, a form of autism. As early as age 10, Adam Lanza was taking medication, according to his former baby sitter, Ryan Kraft, now an aerospace engineer in Hermosa Beach.

"I know there was something administered. I'm not sure what," he said. There were never any signs that Lanza was dangerous, he said. "There were no red flags that would say something like this would happen."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 1800.story

Ban the drugs not the guns.

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FFS - if he hadn't had access to the guns this tragedy wouldn't be as great a magnitude as it was. You asked me if I would prefer all guns banned, well, YES, yes I would, if it would save even just one more child's life, but I know the world doesn't work as simply as that. Ban the drugs AND the murderous weapons!
This "finally the truth comes out" bs doesn't hold any water with me whilst you see fit to ignore all the other truths presented in this debate and keep repeating 'Ban the drugs not the guns' like some perserverating mindless automaton...

[beatmunga]

Is the very existence of the category 'psychopath' something you say does not/should not exist, MW?

Do you doubt that otherwise 'well brought up' children with no trauma in their family lives are sometimes found secretly torturing kittens?

If not and (like the psychological sciences) you acknowledge these individuals are at least out there (and don't want them victimised), what do you think we can do to live alongside them safely?

This thread is out of hand, and I only now had the time to sort through all the windbaggery to reply.
The clinical term psychopath has not ever been proven to be of genetic origin, and in many cases these people are non violent. A simple wiki search gets you that much information. So, you've ascribed violence to the term and a genetic predisposition, as well as your fear that they are the reasons for all the problems in the world. Well considering your lack of concern for research or facts I would recommend you start an almost religiously fervent, strident political organization to eventually put them in concentration camps away from society. Oh, I'm sorry you said islands didn't you?

We still don't really know what you think about psychopaths MW, or whether or not they are worth worrying about at all.

Your insistence on undermining my view makes me suspect you think not.

I just hope you never have to deal with one. Even the non- violent ones are scary.

[fishmonkey]

Is the very existence of the category 'psychopath' something you say does not/should not exist, MW?

Do you doubt that otherwise 'well brought up' children with no trauma in their family lives are sometimes found secretly torturing kittens?

If not and (like the psychological sciences) you acknowledge these individuals are at least out there (and don't want them victimised), what do you think we can do to live alongside them safely?

This thread is out of hand, and I only now had the time to sort through all the windbaggery to reply.
The clinical term psychopath has not ever been proven to be of genetic origin, and in many cases these people are non violent. A simple wiki search gets you that much information. So, you've ascribed violence to the term and a genetic predisposition, as well as your fear that they are the reasons for all the problems in the world. Well considering your lack of concern for research or facts I would recommend you start an almost religiously fervent, strident political organization to eventually put them in concentration camps away from society. Oh, I'm sorry you said islands didn't you?

We still don't really know what you think about psychopaths MW, or whether or not they are worth worrying about at all.

Your insistence on undermining my view makes me suspect you think not.

I just hope you never have to deal with one. Even the non- violent ones are scary.

i don't think there is any doubt that some people exhibit psychopathic behaviours. whether or not the categorical system that underpins current psychological assessment and diagnosis is valid is another issue entirely.

and research does in fact support the possibility that some of the traits that contribute to psychopathic behaviours have some genetic basis.

[Machinesworking]

We still don't really know what you think about psychopaths MW, or whether or not they are worth worrying about at all.

Your insistence on undermining my view makes me suspect you think not.

I just hope you never have to deal with one. Even the non- violent ones are scary.

I'm not "insisting on undermining your view" I'm pointing out that you're making grand sweeping generalizations about grand sweeping categories of mental illness, and attributing it to genetics; and with nothing more than conjecture and hypothesis to back it up with you've gone on to paint the psychopath out to be something akin to having red hair. You've flatly stated that if you had your way these genetic defects would be subject to some sort of government monitoring to protect us from their possible danger to society.

That, to me is patently ridiculous. Even more so is to then proceed to use this boogyman you've created in your head as a sort of straw argument. I'm sorry if this is coming off as rude, but your argument for this 1% mental illness that you've attributed to a genetic trait is beyond flimsy, it's frighteningly reactionary at best, at worst, it's Eugenics in action.

To answer your laughably rhetorical question, I've dealt with probably more dangerous violent criminals and the wreckage a damaged individual like that can leave behind than I'm almost 100% sure any of you have. Your argument is based on this idea that psychopaths can be pinpointed, that we can isolate them etc. Well what would you call Obama then? He was visibly shaken up by the deaths of these kids, but he's actually okaying the collateral damage in drone strikes. So, are all the people next to someone he bombs terrorists by proxy? or are they men, women, and children? This is precisely why I don't ever believe a gene for empathy will be found. Way more than 1% of us have selective empathy, more like 100% of us, and in a civilization as immature as ours of 6+ billion souls, it's natural.



The thing is I believe that freedom is far more important than protection. It's a simple equation, and there's no way around it that I know of, the more protection you have the less freedom. It's the same with the death penalty. If you want the death penalty you have to ask yourself how many state executions of innocent people are OK? and is it OK if the poorer you are the more likely you get the death penalty? The more restrictions and regulations you beg the government to put in place, the more of a police state you live in. There is literally no middle ground with this.

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---- how you could envision the people defending themselves against a tyrranical government? ----

When British soldiers invaded homes and had their way it wasn't fair or pretty and I'm sure
the fighting on both sides wasn't either.

Killing someone via a drone isn't any more noble than killing someone as a suicide bomber.

I really wouldn't want to be there if things get to that point. But then, to be the devils advocate, if 9/11 was an inside job then you are already dealing with some evil tyrannical fuckers right there.... so when do you start out with the guns? What is the breaking point?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... bFphX5zb8w

See my list of KNOWN atrocities carried out by the American government, which DWARF 911 a thousand times.

that's like talking about things dwarfing pearl harbour... it's what they used it to justify the hundreds of thousands, if not ove a million dead in the decade since.... so that's a pretty narrow statement...

BTW America is just following the lead from our own wonderful country's example. Taught them everything we know.....

The only difference is they pretend they are not an Empire.

But forgetting all those past events for a moment, lets just pay close attention to what goes on in Syria and what unfolds from here on. If there is some wonderfully convenient massive attack like a nuke or dirty bomb and they start blaming Iran or Syria, or even Al Qaeda... well, let's have that discussion then and you can tell me it is who they said it was....

A leopard doesn't change his spots....

There are leaked documents around from British and American intelligence 60 years ago talking about fuelling civil war and stoking the flames in Syria... nothign has changed

I just don't believe there is a single large national government on this planet that has people's best interests at heart... power corrupts and all that...

Pulling it back to basics, Obama the "change we can believe in" guy who won the peace prize, is quite happily murdering people by remote control without charge or trial. And it seems that about 2% of the people killed are the intended targets, and intended targets are often just men old enough to hold a gun, or people dobbed in for money by some kid who gets paid for information, the rest are just innocent bystanders, women and children. Their entire justification for all of this is 9/11.

I know you are a skeptic on all that, but please, I would be happy to hear a rational explanation from you as to why WTC7 collapsed, with Larry Silverstein actually on record admitting they decided to pull it at 5.20 pm on the day.... explain to me how they could have wired that building in a few hours when something like 1300 engineers and architects have gone on record saying it was impossible. Even right wing fox news fuckwits like Geraldo are starting to realise that they can't argue with that. So once you think about that for a few minutes, you have to really think hard about the rest of it. someone who thinks as much as you do must see the billion holes in the story.

This is the burning of the Reichstag. Talking about it being "dwarfed" is weird.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-drone ... 1481237582

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... g.facebook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

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oh yeah, and this one:



explanation most welcome.

I'm not personally sure who exactly was behind it, but whoever it was was able to get access for long enough to wire the buildings. I can't help feeling no adequate explanation has been given to link anyone fitting the "Al Qaeda" description being able to pull that off.

[Sage]

Why does everyone on the internet seem to be a demolitions expert when the Twin Tower attacks are brought up? Also got to consider that no building the size of the Twin building has ever been demolished, how can anyone know truly explain everything?

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Why does everyone on the internet seem to be a demolitions expert when the Twin Tower attacks are brought up? Also got to consider that no building the size of the Twin building has ever been demolished, how can anyone know truly explain everything?

well, as I said, there was something like 1300 experts who have gone on the record saying that. Personally I am just interested because I never believed it from day one, so I've gone looking for it.

The diagonal shearing is a bit weird though don't you think? if it was a random collapse, why would the beams be cut in the same way that happens in a controlled demo? And WTC7 falling down for no apparent reason? and it's owner haphazardly saying "lets pull it" like they could wire that kind of demolition in a few hours? And they all fell in under 10 seconds which means there was no resistance in the way... jet fuel seriously could not have completely pulverised all the material in those buildings like that...

and the empire state was hit by a plane years ago and burned for hours without collapsing.. it was built many years before the WTC, with much older technology

and the Norad jets being nowhere to be seen? And amateur pilots somehow managing to pull off manoeuvres many commercial pilots have come out saying they couldn't do in a fit.....

look it goes on and on

honestly, I think the official story is far more ludicrous than these "conspiracy theories"... but we're all entitled to our opinions

like I said, I'm not leaping to any conclusions about who it was, but I haven't heard any theories about Al Qaeda wiring up the bulidings, or why Larry Silverstein knew it was all prepped and ready to pull.

Most people don't even mention WTC7