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seriously? guess jeans, yo mtv raps and flying lotus??

only the Taliban could appreciate just how deep of a cave that guy lives in.

Omnisphere cost 500 bucks, and you guys are talking about price.

get your squeltch on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... yVM#t=137s

mholloway

Your post is questionable and makes no sense. Music is not about getting to some results by the cheapest way. Your chosen method should make you happy, thats it. It`s about feeling and the love to real machines and instruments with a story behind them. You talk about limits of hardware synths and forget that softsynths are limited in the same way. Everything has it`s limits but the benefits of a specific instrument are more important to me as the limits.

The warm power and pressure coming out of some analog synths surpasses the abilities of most softsynths in this special regard. Chasing this sound and having the possibility to turn real knobs on a nice piece of gear has a high value for many. You do not have to understand this but your frustration about hardware synths is funny and somehow I believe you would love to have some of them in your own four walls...

After doing more research on the Internet there does seem to be more people posting from the hater side than defenders of the throne.

Clearly this is another “vinyl will never die!” argument.

beats me wrote:“vinyl will never die!”

thanks god, or whatever.

DJTIVA wrote:mholloway

Your post is questionable and makes no sense. Music is not about getting to some results by the cheapest way. Your chosen method should make you happy, thats it. It`s about feeling and the love to real machines and instruments with a story behind them. You talk about limits of hardware synths and forget that softsynths are limited in the same way. Everything has it`s limits but the benefits of a specific instrument are more important to me as the limits.

The warm power and pressure coming out of some analog synths surpasses the abilities of most softsynths in this special regard. Chasing this sound and having the possibility to turn real knobs on a nice piece of gear has a high value for many. You do not have to understand this but your frustration about hardware synths is funny and somehow I believe you would love to have some of them in your own four walls...

Good points! My 'frustration' is actually just a desire to make funny posts that I think are nonetheless completely 'valid' -- e.g., they posit an opinion that I do, genuinely, feel and beleive in. (Kinda feel like I shouldn't have to even say that, I mean it's obvious, right??) And like any opinion it's up for argument, and you make some good ones here. I could throw back that half your argument -- the 'hands on' bit -- is covered suitably well by Controller technology and therefore rendered a bit moot, but whatever. I also think the 'story to tell' line about instruments -- while DAMNED poetic -- is more fantasy than meaninful reality, and suggests a certain Brand Brainwashing that I'm too scared to ponder any further...

In any case, I think you know full well that my post DOES make sense -- as one take on the industry of ultra-expensive instruments whose actual benefits are purely subjetive. You fall into the camp of those who believe in the "warm power and pressure" (to quote you directly..sounds Mmmmmmmmmm) of Analog Synths, and I dig it. I'm just not there, obviously.

cheers!
-M

beats me wrote:After doing more research on the Internet there does seem to be more people posting from the hater side than defenders of the throne.

Clearly this is another “vinyl will never die!” argument.

Get onto some guitar forums. People on those wouldn't go near anything unless it was made from valves.

I've been having fun today with my Zvex Fuzz Probe making sounds that simply wouldn't be possible with softsynths. Its not even technically a synth, no ability to save and only has 5 knobs.

Tone Deft wrote:seriously? guess jeans, yo mtv raps and flying lotus??

only the Taliban could appreciate just how deep of a cave that guy lives in.

Sorry, I'll make sure my humor is more Topical and Current from now on, how embarrassing. (though you DO realize Flying Lotus did the marketing for the new moog synth, yeah?!)

JuanSOLO wrote:Omnisphere cost 500 bucks, and you guys are talking about price.

get your squeltch on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... yVM#t=137s

OMNISPHERE FEATURES

• Powerfully simple interface design makes key features accessible to every user
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• Sophisticated Browser with searching, sound attributes, descriptions and images
• 8 independent Arpeggiators
• World's first Arpeggiator with Groove Lock™ - which allows the Arpeggiators to match the feel of Stylus RMX and MIDI Files.
• Special performance-oriented Live Mode interface allows for seamless, interactive creative patch switching and layering on the fly
• Stack Mode interface allows for complex patch layering, splits, and crossfades (velocity/positional/controller)
• 8-part multitimbral with built-in Mixer, Aux FX and Mastering FX racks
• Advanced MIDI Learn and Automation parameter handling
• Comprehensive integrated Reference Guide
• Hours of free Tutorial Videos available online to registered users
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• Up to 10 oscillators per patch with new Harmonia™ feature
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• Sophisticated Unison Detuning
• Variable Analog Feel
• Modulatable Hard Sync
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• FM Oscillators
• Dual Filter architecture per Layer
• Create filter combinations in series or parallel
• Arrange and blend more than 17 Filter algorithms
• Fully modulatable FX racks
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I'm just sayin!

Sage wrote:I've been having fun today with my Zvex Fuzz Probe making sounds that simply wouldn't be possible with softsynths.

here here!

I was also thinking in regards to mholoways "story to tell" rebuttle.
So Sonic Youth gets their shitty guitar collection stolen, and replacing them with simply the same brand shitty guitars is supposed to suffice?
Replacing them with custom guitars is supposed to feel the same, sound the same?

JuanSOLO wrote:Omnisphere cost 500 bucks, and you guys are talking about price.

And how many active instances of Sub Phatty will you be able to run simultaneously in your session?

yeah thought so.

I only have a need for 1.
I play in a band.

How many instances of Omnisphere can you run and maintain what the hell is going on, and not hiccup your laptop when triggering preset changes?
How many controllers does it take to access all those features?
How do you decipher which instance is which, and what not, with generic controllers?
Do all of those "features" make your music sound that much different than others?

Sage wrote:Get onto some guitar forums. People on those wouldn't go near anything unless it was made from valves.

and what do you play through?

aside from the loud as fuck Hi-Watt amps, solid state doesn't rate except for bass guitar.

mholloway wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:seriously? guess jeans, yo mtv raps and flying lotus??

only the Taliban could appreciate just how deep of a cave that guy lives in.

Sorry, I'll make sure my humor is more Topical and Current from now on, how embarrassing. (though you DO realize Flying Lotus did the marketing for the new moog synth, yeah?!)

I did not know that, funny. no worries, you're leading a good discussion. odd references.


end of the day it's more about the artist than the gear. everyone should own a *nice* piece of hardware at some point in their lives. you end up bonding with the damn thing in weird ways.

I’m listening to Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon. I think there is some Moog in there.

Gap Band bass lines do get me pumped.

I get it. I just don’t $1,000+ get it.