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what if my beats pump ironically?

I think Toro y moi tried that once, or for the whole album. It was annoying. Dude is a muppet and should be a caddy instead.

Pee Wee Ellis talks about the writing of James Brown's "Cold Sweat"

after one of the shows, one night somewhere, James called me into the dressing room and grunted a bass line of a rhythmic thing (demonstrates), which turned out to be "Cold Sweat." I was very much influenced by Miles Davis and had been listening to "So What" six or seven years earlier and that crept into the making of "Cold Sweat." You could call it subliminal, but the horn line is based on Miles Davis' "So What."

The family of Miles Davis were heard to say : "Assemble our soulless musicologists and lawyers ... Oh and bring me a catalogue of the latest luxury yachts"

Pretty sure any great artist, musician or band of historical significance will nonchalantly admit to 'borrowing'.

It's hacks who use that as an excuse to be lazy or uncreative.

No man is an island

is the best way to put it.

That's all Robins lawyer should have said.
And then dropped a mic.

I am!

Just ran across this Wikipedia entry about The Prodigy's "Fat of the Land" track, "Climbatize" and it made me think of this thread. Pretty funny that the guys who threatened to sue got their asses handed to them from two sides. LOL

"The main drum loop was sampled from "Air Drums from Outer Bongolia" by English electronic duo The Jedi Knights; Liam Howlett sampled the drums without the group's permission, and The Jedi Knights threatened to sue The Prodigy. However, Howlett already knew that The Jedi Knights themselves had sampled the drums from an older track entitled "Bongolia" by American funk group Incredible Bongo Band without permission; XL Recordings, the Prodigy's record label, bought the rights to the Incredible Bongo Band track and threatened to sue The Jedi Knights. The media coverage cornered around the event attracted film producer George Lucas, who sued The Jedi Knights for taking their stage name from the Star Wars term "Jedi Knight", which Lucas created."

There was/is a video of somebody recreating one of the tracks off Fat of the Land using Live. I was at some of the sampling they did, not for copyright reasons but for the fact that they used a snippet a snippet and then tweaked it a little. Most of the sampling tuts I see these days are along the lines of “Here’s an old obscure funk track. I’m going to chop a bar into 8th notes, play them in a different order, and then call myself a genius.”

beats me wrote:

There was/is a video of somebody recreating one of the tracks off Fat of the Land using Live. I was at some of the sampling they did, not for copyright reasons but for the fact that they used a snippet a snippet and then tweaked it a little. Most of the sampling tuts I see these days are along the lines of “Here’s an old obscure funk track. I’m going to chop a bar into 8th notes, play them in a different order, and then call myself a genius.”

actually though some geniuses have done that, it's not like doing that negates genius but I get what you're saying.

shadx312 wrote:is the best way to put it.

That's all Robins lawyer should have said.
And then dropped a mic.

would have been hilarious

beats me wrote: I’m going to chop a bar into 8th notes, play them in a different order, and then call myself a genius.”

WTF, could that possibly be the dumbest thing you posted here? Ever?!
What is the creative aspect one is stealing here? Single 8th notes?! REALLY?! Did that drummer hit them just in that one special really creative way that only real geniuses do?!

I mean I share the sentiment against lazy sampling, but this is just you arguing yourself into a corner here

TomViolenz wrote:

beats me wrote: I’m going to chop a bar into 8th notes, play them in a different order, and then call myself a genius.”

WTF, could that possibly be the dumbest thing you posted here? Ever?!
What is the creative aspect one is stealing here? Single 8th notes?! REALLY?! Did that drummer hit them just in that one special really creative way that only real geniuses do?!

I mean I share the sentiment against lazy sampling, but this is just you arguing yourself into a corner here

Don’t have a Tom moment on this. I’m not saying anybody is stealing anything in that scenario. I’m saying any asshat can chop a bar into equal 8th notes. Takes no skill. None. It’s a one step right click function. And flopping around the keyboard playing those 8th notes in a slightly different order doesn’t take much skill either.

I can’t search videos at work and am too lazy to do it anyway, but I’ve seen countless “that’s how you make sick beats!” videos out there doing exactly what I described above. That's not genius.

Tom moment huh?

No it's all good natured.

But if I recall your posts from the audio section correctly then you draw inspiration from loading midi patterns from Maschine expansions and use them while flipping through presets from the same expansions.

So where do you see the difference between you and these people?

Is it that they are a little more boasty about the results?!

TomViolenz wrote:Tom moment huh?

No it's all good natured.

But if I recall your posts from the audio section correctly then you draw inspiration from loading midi patterns from Maschine expansions and use them while flipping through presets from the same expansions.

So where do you see the difference between you and these people?

Is it that they are a little more boasty about the results?!

I see the difference as I’m not posting videos of this as a great educational service to the masses…something that has already been done to death. I believe this leads to creative apathy and probably the reason so many songs sound alike. They all took “Success Through Bare Minimum Effort” at the University of Youtube.

Right, because punk music never happened.