former crack user, now owner

Nod · Post by **Nod** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:50 am

Fax 01 - couldn't agree more with what you've said.

The only justification I can think of that holds any water when it comes to using cracks is people wanting to learn - the entire DTP/3D industry would've ground to a halt before now if it wasn't for kids learning Adobe/Bryce etc. The difficulty comes when that 'learning' starts to seam into actually 'using' - because as your list ably demonstrates, once you have the knowledge and barring one essential - Live or the DAW of your choice - you don't need to use a single crack. Period.

But do we see the 'music media' actively promoting this? No - because they're too busy promoting the latest thing - the 'must have' - that 'sound' etc. They are the ones most publicly attacking the warez scene - and they're the ones that should be publicising the alternative! Every review, where possible, should introduce a comparable piece of freeware so that instead of downloading the latest Sonalksis EQ the kids are checking out Posifophit.

Just like other devoted users of Live I want to see the company grow and the product develop because it is a world beater. Whilst every other DAW was heading down the route of increased complexity and production values the Abe's hit the nail on the head with an app that actually assisted you in creating music. And let's face it they've got the ideal copy protection - the crackers won't crack it. Do you think that the likes of H20 et al can devote the resources to reverse engineer a Syncrosoft dongle but can't crack Live after christ only knows how many shots at it?

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:10 am

welcome johnisfaster and congrats on your purchase.

djsynchro · Post by **djsynchro** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:24 pm

Crack is very addictive
Just say No

Nixon · Post by **Nixon** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:44 pm

I know some good rehab centers....

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:16 pm

can you believe it took 6 pages before someone made that joke? ha

the shoe · Post by **the shoe** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:21 pm

Nod - Live5 was cracked the day it was on general release, in fact it was cracked and out there in beta. Makes you think

This guy has now tried to make out he was using a crack cos the demo wasn't good enough, yet he had live 4 and 5 cracked so how long did it take to see if liked the prog. Hes got a expensive laptop so one would think he could afford live or at least go without things,going out with friends etc like i do, to save up for it.
I think this guy was a free loader and that sort of thing just pisses me off, as said i have to go without things to pay for my software. To be fair hes bought it now and at least he told the truth. anyhow rant over this thread is dead

let it down man

Nod · Post by **Nod** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:51 pm

the shoe wrote:Nod - Live5 was cracked the day it was on general release, in fact it was cracked and out there in beta. Makes you think

Maybe we shouldn't be delving to deeply into this subject here on the Abe's own forum but - though there are cracks available the freeloaders that choose the illegal route keep reporting that the copy protection still kicks in after a certain period unlike pretty much every other app. Tough shit for them frankly - but it does make for a particularly cunning sales device virtually equivalent to the 'time out demo'.

the shoe wrote:This guy has now tried to make out he was using a crack cos the demo wasn't good enough, yet he had live 4 and 5 cracked so how long did it take to see if liked the prog.

That was my point - the lines between 'evaluation' and actual usage is somewhat dependant upon the person.

the shoe wrote:Hes got a expensive laptop so one would think he could afford live or at least go without things,going out with friends etc like i do, to save up for it. I think this guy was a free loader and that sort of thing just pisses me off, as said i have to go without things to pay for my software. To be fair hes bought it now and at least he told the truth. anyhow rant over this thread is dead let it down man

No worries mate - I think we can all understand why people get so passionate about Live

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:51 pm

yes about the crack failing and that it ends up kinda acting like a timed demo. I have in the past almost wondered if ableton creates these cracks that end up failing later just so people start thinking they'll never get a working crack and give up and buy.(which would be a genious marketing scheme) me however just figured this program is worth buying by now and when buying a program you in turn get more support from the company as well as usually get a more stable program. I think it's funny how people are still bitching on here though. regardless of my motives I did buy. so who cares why I bought it?

truth be told my crack was still working when I bought it. so there. I had other version crap out and I do suspect that all versions eventually do but the version I was on was working fine. but I decided it was time to become a tad bit more professional and take it all a bit more serious.

once again I will repeat that I am not intentionally promoting the use of cracks at all and I hope that anyone reading this doesn't misunderstand me on that matter

ps. my new motto should be "get the fu** over it"

FaX-01 · Post by **FaX-01** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:33 am

Johnisfaster wrote:
truth be told my crack was still working when I bought it. so there. I had other version crap out and I do suspect that all versions eventually do but the version I was on was working fine. but I decided it was time to become a tad bit more professional and take it all a bit more serious.

ps. my new motto should be "get the fu** over it"

Yet in another thread you state you used Versions 3 , 4 and 5 and still infact use the non legit version 4 alongside the legit Live 5 version.
Took a while to bcome a "tad bit more professional".
How many "try before you buy" demo timeouts do you need before a purchase ?
I've been polite and not finger pointed the entire thread until I read your reply too the "Installing Live 5" thread.
Gotta say I don't believe in all the evangelising that goes on but you kind of asked for some of the comments made here.
Wether or not they where actually warranted is something else all together.
<Shrug>

I suppose a "get the Fu## over it" is in order then.

pearsonart.com · Post by **pearsonart.com** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:27 pm

A good alternative would be for Ableton to release a retail version of Live 5 lite with fewer feature limitations at an entry level price. I'd say 250 retail/150 street.

At least some crack users would be glad to trade the hassels for a legit copy even if it were limited to 16 tracks and a dozen plugs or so.

Ableton has to realize that they are missing the chance to expand their user base by not offering a nich version for the budget-constrained.

I started another thread on this to see what the reaction might be.

DubGusset · Post by **DubGusset** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:42 pm

1. Many cracks work just fine. Period. Often built by extremely skilled programmers doing it for fun or profit. Who knows. Rest asured they don't bug your system or contain maliscious code.

2. It's very common for people to fear that which they don't understand ie; legit users view of cracked software. That's OK.

3. I'm fairly confident that one day, with emerging technologies, software cracks will be a thing of the past. Hopefully sooner than later.

FYI.

C

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:18 am

yesss get the fuck over it is in order

I said my live 4 WAS working when I decided to buy 5. are we missing something here? I was simply explaining to someone that I didn't just buy 5 because I couldn't get a proper crack working(which I was accused of "you only bought it cause your crack didn't work") I bought it for legit reasons.

I love how no matter what is said you'll always find a bitch out there waiting to bash it.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:29 am

and actually mr fax if you read the other post you're talking about I never mentioned Live 3 but rather I mentioned REASON 3 WHICH I OWN!

and yes my live 4 is still installed because certain songs don't pull across to 5 properlly(due to bugs!!!!!) and if I want to find out what preset I had originally then I have to open the song in 4 to check it out. or if I want to try to recreate a song that simply won't open in 5 then I have to go into 4 and render tracks or just make note of what is going on. most songs do open fine but there are tracks here and there that have problems.

so whats the problem?

are you going to start asking me if I've ever downloaded music next? ohhhh god I better hide that horrible secret!!!!

FaX-01 · Post by **FaX-01** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:01 am

YAWN .

forge · Post by **forge** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:19 am

god has this thread really made 6 pages??