New apple products

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:27 am

forge wrote:If apple dont end up creating a PC version of OSX that can be installed on any hardware then I am seriously going to consider trying the OSx86 hack, their loss for not doing it!!

I really do hope this is the direction the macintels will take us in - there need be absolutely no reason for them to stop making their hardware with the same attention to quality, just ADD more to their team to concentrate on the retail PC version of OSX.

I think that would be wonderfull as well. I do wonder how microsoft would react and what type of effect it would have on them. It would be interesting I am sure.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:18 pm

smutek wrote:
forge wrote:If apple dont end up creating a PC version of OSX that can be installed on any hardware then I am seriously going to consider trying the OSx86 hack, their loss for not doing it!!

I really do hope this is the direction the macintels will take us in - there need be absolutely no reason for them to stop making their hardware with the same attention to quality, just ADD more to their team to concentrate on the retail PC version of OSX.
I think that would be wonderfull as well. I do wonder how microsoft would react and what type of effect it would have on them. It would be interesting I am sure.

well, if Billy boy tries to get all mafia like and prevent any competition I really hope it backfires horribly, it's not right the way it is at the moment, there needs to be more balance - at the moment the only OS alternatives in the shops are linux which your average user wont even look at unless they have a specific reason to or are into computers in a nuts and bolts way. That is what you call a monopoly and other industries there are laws against that.

Unfortunately it will mean OSX users would have to get virus scanners as hackers start targeting them too, but I do that on my PC and it's just a fact of life I can live with. I hear so many PC users saying "I never get my DAW on the net" but I think that's defeatist - your computer should do what you need it to do and you shouldnt have to do that. Virus scanners and firewalls do work

udp · Post by **udp** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:44 pm

Forge Wrote:
"If apple dont end up creating a PC version of OSX that can be installed on any hardware then I am seriously going to consider trying the OSx86 hack, their loss for not doing it!! "

Part of the beauty of the Mac is that Apple controls the compnenents that go into their machines. There are a limited number of variables to consider for the OS developers. Wouldn't making a version of OSX to work on any PC open Apple to all the problems Windows has? As I understand it, half the problem Microsoft has is all the diffferent components that COULD be in a PC. Some boxes run the OS well others don't. Why would Apple want to go down that road? It would detract from what makes MACS so much fun to use. My 2 cents.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:44 pm

I do what my Macs can do. If they can't process more plug-ins, I don't use them. It's that simple.

I don't really understand the Mac vs PC thing, really. They're just boxes. I turn them on, and they do their jobs, just like MIDI controllers and monitors.

pearsonart.com · Post by **pearsonart.com** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:00 pm

Being close to Nashville, I hear a lot of rumors. Some turn out to be true.

The talk surrounding Apple is that they WILL NOT lock out the X86 project developers. In fact, they want that to move forward to create momentum and demand for a broader, official release to come in about 2 years. By that time, they will have established themselves with proprietary nich consumer media devices - "the american sony". Giving away OSX at that point doesn't hurt hardware sales, it drives them.

My opinion on X86 at present is that, even given the hoops you have to jump through, it's probably STILL easier to follow and implement than wholesale Linux!

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:31 pm

udp wrote:Forge Wrote:
"If apple dont end up creating a PC version of OSX that can be installed on any hardware then I am seriously going to consider trying the OSx86 hack, their loss for not doing it!! "

Part of the beauty of the Mac is that Apple controls the compnenents that go into their machines. There are a limited number of variables to consider for the OS developers. Wouldn't making a version of OSX to work on any PC open Apple to all the problems Windows has? As I understand it, half the problem Microsoft has is all the diffferent components that COULD be in a PC. Some boxes run the OS well others don't. Why would Apple want to go down that road? It would detract from what makes MACS so much fun to use. My 2 cents.

sorry, but that sounds like mac 5-10 years ago. Since winXP I have had very few problems, and in actuality I put alot of it down to processor power - the machines now dont fall over when you look at them because they can think a bit harder.

Like I said, Apple could still put exactly the same amount of love into their hardware+OS setup, but if they opened their world to all the people with PC hardware they'd generate the resources to have a whole department devoted to making OSX work well on a PC.

My 2c.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:36 pm

hambone1 wrote:I do what my Macs can do. If they can't process more plug-ins, I don't use them. It's that simple.

I don't really understand the Mac vs PC thing, really. They're just boxes. I turn them on, and they do their jobs, just like MIDI controllers and monitors.

that sounds crazy.. So do you get a hammer and a bunch of screws and say, okay my hammer will only bash so I'll use the screws like nails????

It's bullshit, the tools are there to be YOUR servants, they shouldnt dictate to you what you can and cant do. Sorry Hambone but I really disagree with that.

I have a mac too and it's just not strong enough to hold up against what I want from it. Stevie boy has been foolish to tie into contracts with people who cant deliver and I'm not interested in making that my problem. I'll come back to mac when they can provide the kind of performance that is required in 2005. It's appaling that they have let it drag so far behind, Apple always used to be a premium, but the're not any more, and I started on mac right at the start.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:50 pm

forge wrote:
pearsonart.com wrote: If I could afford a dual 2.5 G5 I'd be there in a shot but I cant even afford to pay the rent on time.

Hey man, I only have a dual 2g, but let me tell you- it aint that glamorous!

I don't feel as stylish as I feel betrayed by the fact that the super-hyped G5 architecture will not be realized like it was supposed to. I feel offended that it took over a year to run a 64 bit operating system on my 64 bit computer. I don't feel stylish about the frigging chirping sounds, the crashes I got for the first 6 months, or the fact that I can't play a movie for over an our before IDVD decides to turn on special effects... (this one is hard to explain, but believe it is hard to watch Lawrence of Arabia all of the way through, and you note my handle... No style.)

I will say that I have had far less luck with PCs, but I always had the option of modifying them. I went Apple because at the time it was the fastest, and it was reccomended for audio and video. NOw that I hve Tiger and device agrigation, I really can't turn back, but this seems so trite. Almost as trite as being limited to Apples very expensive hardware.

Please everyone, take the illsion that Apple's expensive hardware and wonderful opersating system are mutually exclusive. MY G5, while smooth and stylish in many ways, is chirpy, was crashy, and it has it's occaisional quirks (such as no way in helll of being upgraded.) A couple months back I went to the apple store to check out an advertused specialist in Logic/DAWS give a presentation and get my girlfriends ibook checked out. The dude knew nothing. Apparently he is some video guy who read the first coupl chapters out of every peach-pit publication. Then they told me that my girlfriends year-pld hard drive was f'd and asked for $75 to backup the information, even though it was their fault and she was covered in Apple care.

So, while the operating system is beautiful, smooth, and almost flawless (even though I have to type my searches VERY fast or it's hung five minutes for everything in my hard drive with the letter R,) I tink their hardware myth is a total bluff, and I lok foward to the day I can run their software on a cheap, upgradeable PC.

Of course once people start having problems using 3rd party hardware with osx their will be all sort of new problems.

From what I understand the upcoming operating system for windows will enable seriously expansive operating system level communications with an almost infinite range of hardware. A buddy of mine is currently training for some microsoft certificate relating to this, but it is slightly over my head. Things are going to get very complicated with regards to what can run on what, which do I want to run today, and how do I shake this uber, uber hack. Can't wait if you ask me!

I just thought I would share my discontent osx experience, and I even Left Logic 7 out of it!

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:07 pm

It's not all bad experiences, though.

I rely on my 2 x 2Ghz G5 receiving and processing live video from three capture cards, while my Live set plays surround sound, controls 38 DMX lighting parameters, and lets me play live percussion samples at the same time.

It does this without a problem and has never let me down (knock on wood).

I don't really care whether it's Mac, PC, Linux, whatever, as long as it's stable, easy to use, and reliable. The speed issue is secondary to me. I work to the speed of the box, rather than letting it control me.

The Macintels will rule, though. I look forward to doing video at my projectors' native 1024 x 768 XGA resolution rather than the 640 x 480 I use now, not having to use my external digital mixer as much, or waiting almost 2 minutes for my Live set to load!

pearsonart.com · Post by **pearsonart.com** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:33 pm

Just to clarify, that wasn't my quote on "paying the rent on time" but a quote within a quote.

The X86 project is moving ahead very nicely. My hope is that the rumors are true and it's expanded to run on all kinds of low end hardware, not just towers.

Apple really shouldn't wait to open this up. There's plenty of demand now.

If they make great hardware with style, what's to be nervous about? They easily offset any potential loss with an exponentially larger user base which strengthens their ability to negotiate and distribute media content.

It's been fun. Back to painting and less computer stuff for a while i think.

inis · Post by **inis** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:19 am

jamief wrote:
inis wrote:There is definetly be a new powerbook before the intel, because you will not see an intel based powerbook in the beginning of next year. FACT. The only thing you might get a peak at is a G5/iMac, but the laptops are far away, so dont hold your breath.

Yes, dual core is coming out in a G5 as well, before the intel.

The powerbooks will also have improved displays, most likely HD on the 15 and 17" models.

All FACT.
Did IBM make a G5 processor recently that can be kept cool inside a powerbook? yes. Is apple going to waste time ordering something like this before intel? no. There will be new ones, but there no need to jump to G5. Just faster G4's.

Anything else you may have heard from a rumor site, remember, thats exactly what it is. People were talking about the craziest shit eariler this week that might be released today. Obviously it wasnt. It really isnt too hard to predict apple's movements with products if you know where to look.
er welll
all the above is speculation otherwise known as rumour

lol, man i hate being right all the time. What do u think the announcement on the 19th is all about? Ya, thats right, another event. Pay attention, maybe you'll learn something.

Tranquil010 · Post by **Tranquil010** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:42 am

My thoughts on when Apple released there quarterly earnings the other day , and it had gone down over $4, I think it was due to this. Releasing so many diffrent versions of the iPod is getting to be a mistake. Who ever has bought an iPod, has an iPod now, its probably about 80% of the market now. What I'm saying is, %80 of the market who would buy an iPod already have one! That leaves roughly %20 left for sales. Not MUCHH>. Granted you get a lot for the money. 15,000 songs, 20,000 photos, and 150 hours of video, you have to be satisfied with that. But they are blowing their load now, if ya know what I mean. Its time for something new. I know Steve and the people over there are not suit wearing hippies. There designers with pioneering ideas.

polyslax · Post by **polyslax** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:38 am

Tranquil010 wrote:My thoughts on when Apple released there quarterly earnings the other day , and it had gone down over $4, I think it was due to this. Releasing so many diffrent versions of the iPod is getting to be a mistake. Who ever has bought an iPod, has an iPod now, its probably about 80% of the market now. What I'm saying is, %80 of the market who would buy an iPod already have one! That leaves roughly %20 left for sales. Not MUCHH>. Granted you get a lot for the money. 15,000 songs, 20,000 photos, and 150 hours of video, you have to be satisfied with that. But they are blowing their load now, if ya know what I mean. Its time for something new. I know Steve and the people over there are not suit wearing hippies. There designers with pioneering ideas.

That's just so wrong... this is a market with tons of room to grow.

Don't try and figure out market ups and downs and the comments of analysts, it's all manipulation at one level or another.

subterFUSE · Post by **subterFUSE** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:31 pm

But they are blowing their load now, if ya know what I mean. Its time for something new. I know Steve and the people over there are not suit wearing hippies. There designers with pioneering ideas.

They're trying to survive the lull between now and the Intel gear release. iPod has been the only thing keeping their heads above water for several years now. I think the true insiders at Apple are sitting around biting their fingernails just hoping the iPods will keep revenues up long enough until the new stuff is out.

polyslax · Post by **polyslax** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:02 pm

subterFUSE wrote:
But they are blowing their load now, if ya know what I mean. Its time for something new. I know Steve and the people over there are not suit wearing hippies. There designers with pioneering ideas.
They're trying to survive the lull between now and the Intel gear release. iPod has been the only thing keeping their heads above water for several years now. I think the true insiders at Apple are sitting around biting their fingernails just hoping the iPods will keep revenues up long enough until the new stuff is out.

Looks like you're on a mission to torpedo anything to do with Apple?

In any event, iPod sales are obviously a huge part of Apple's revenue now, and yet, things might not be quite as dire as the picture you paint. To quote from last weeks financials:

Apple shipped 1,236,000 Mac units during the quarter, representing 48 percent growth in Macs over the year-ago quarter.