v6: About time they stopped calling it "Live"...

Discuss music production with Ableton Live.
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Post by ze2be » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:24 am

Angstrom wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:
Angstrom wrote: when I loop I use my looper, the only reason I use that is because live can't overdub. Playing long sustaining notes into a session clip - wthey will cut off at the clip-end rather than wrapping around.

That makes it unusable in a lot of situations, I put my looper on a track which then routes to lots of recording tracks. I loop in the looper with wrap-around then I record the loop if it is any good into a clip. It's not ideal, but it's workable.
Are the loop lengths predetermined? Or based on the sustained key?
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the above pic is an old version - but It will do for illustration. The buttons marked with numbers are bar lengths. Pressing 4 gives you a 4 bar loop, pressing 8 copies those 4 bars twice and gives you a loop of 8 bars.

I will now continue to work on V2, I slowed considerably because I thought it was "obvious" ableton would make a better one, with so many Live performers using looping.
Interesting.. A friend of me have programed a looper very much like this, but in 6 layers, that also have a mixer and effects: delay and reverb built in. 100% midi controlable. Syncs, and its super cool for anything you put into it, because of the layering. You can have diferent lenght of each layer/track. Made in Max. Ive convinced him to make a vst so we can use it in live, and hes working on it right now! PM me if your interesded.

He made it because he missed this function in live.

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Post by KU » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:04 pm

why not just use BOMES (free) to send a DELETE key command?

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I was checking out the new NUMERIKART LOOPAZOIDE LOOPER VST plugin recently. Now that is a pimp layout. 4 tracks of looping which can be routed to individual live tracks 8O

feedback control, HPF, loop length conrol for each track, pan control...

it has one flaw - the loops you record lose high end frequencies after the first 2-3 passes no matter what you do. It ends up giving everything a kind of lo-fi sound. And the programmer says he can't fix it and doesn't hear the loss of frequencies, (probably because he is french - j/k :oops: )

I actually kind of like the lo-fi sound, but not for everything. He also makes this really nifty audio-midi converter vst which of course does not work in Live either.

I just chalk it up to another noble attempt at something which Live should have done properly years ago.

I just wish that we could overdub onto audio clips in session view.

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Post by Angstrom » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:25 pm

KU wrote: it has one flaw - the loops you record lose high end frequencies after the first 2-3 passes no matter what you do. It ends up giving everything a kind of lo-fi sound. And the programmer says he can't fix it
tell him to take the interpolation off. that might work.

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Post by one » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:51 pm

Excuse me, I've read just the first posts..
Instead of completely dominating the live performance software market (which Ableton could easily do) they seem intent on making it just another DAW. And now that other DAWs can warp just as well as Live, they don't even have their original unique selling point in that market any more...
If you wanna just do liveacts, you can of course still use Live as always!
Use it as a live performance device.
But if you want something more, your'e now (and today!) able to use more and more fx, devices and features than before.

I see, you want a tool that do all fx-bitch-things for you and will be still able to play live for you, and that will play 128Bit Multisamples, and that will automate your mind, and that will crop the circles around your head, and so on...

Hey, Live6 is Live, it is just what you make out of it. It is still the best Live tool out there. Live got a lot of DAW features, but they are "DAW", not Live.. If you do not use them, you are at full Live power!

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Post by quandry » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:07 am

KU wrote:why not just use BOMES (free) to send a DELETE key command?
if that is in response to me, I have been using bomes for four years along with midi ox. Delete via bomes works great as a means of deleting live loops on the fly with a pedal in Live 3. If you read my posts here and elsewhere, Live 4-6 have all not had true "midi select on launch" like version 3, and as such, you can't just use bomes to send "delete" keystroke and have it delete the clip you are recording. It works occasionally at best--changing the master tempo (like when you go to a new song) and the clip grid needing to be in "focus" throw it off. It didn't work at all in 4, and only works in 5 and 6 occaionally.
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Post by j0shu@ » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:10 am

one wrote:Excuse me, I've read just the first posts..
Instead of completely dominating the live performance software market (which Ableton could easily do) they seem intent on making it just another DAW. And now that other DAWs can warp just as well as Live, they don't even have their original unique selling point in that market any more...
If you wanna just do liveacts, you can of course still use Live as always!
Use it as a live performance device.
But if you want something more, your'e now (and today!) able to use more and more fx, devices and features than before.

I see, you want a tool that do all fx-bitch-things for you and will be still able to play live for you, and that will play 128Bit Multisamples, and that will automate your mind, and that will crop the circles around your head, and so on...

Hey, Live6 is Live, it is just what you make out of it. It is still the best Live tool out there. Live got a lot of DAW features, but they are "DAW", not Live.. If you do not use them, you are at full Live power!

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its a question of stability / cpu usage vs features...

and it keeps getting further and further away from stability in terms of a live performance IMHO.

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Post by quandry » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:21 am

j0shu@ wrote: its a question of stability / cpu usage vs features...

and it keeps getting further and further away from stability in terms of a live performance IMHO.
I think that's true to a degree. clearly 5 had more problems than any prior release--sure some people had good luck with it and performed with it often, others seemed to run into problems. It seems 6 has adressed some of the issues, as well as adding dual core support, so the cpu usage issue is looking up.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I think taking the preset names off the devices and putting them in the browser is the lamest and most "non-live" (as in performance on stage) thing Ableton has done. It takes way more time just to find a preset (especially for non-browser open people with lots of tracks), and is just plain silly--what effects pedal/unit/keyboard/module with presets have you ever seen that doesn't display the preset on the device???

Also, the loss of things like buss view and 3 style scrubbing have been unfortunate, and especially the loss of true "midi select on launch". Personally, I'm fine with Ableton adding features, just as long as the stability stays, and they don't take things away.
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