fuck trance

[thefool]

No, YOO are the KID!

No, YOU!

No, YOU!

Nuh-uh. URE TEH KID!

NAW JOO!!! KID!

ad infinitum, ad naseum

next post, please.

YOU'RE GOING PLATINUM WITH THIS
wow. I just tried to sing it man its just... amazing

[pixelbox]

No, YOO are the KID!

No, YOU!

No, YOU!

Nuh-uh. URE TEH KID!

NAW JOO!!! KID!

ad infinitum, ad naseum

next post, please.

YOU'RE GOING PLATINUM WITH THIS
wow. I just tried to sing it man its just... amazing

bizniss

[Nod]

Timbaland's stuff is no more overcompressed than any current electronic dance music. Now, to a lot of people's taste, that stuff is over compressed.

It isn't over-compressed. It's sonically fucked. That's nothing specific to Timbathief - but rather that mastering engineers have to eat. In order to eat they're forced to compromise their, and the artists, work. Typically at the artists request.

Timbaland's tracks are absolutely stellar from a mixing perspective,

And that's because he ain't mixing them. Wake up and read the credits - he ain't doin jack mixing wise other than showin' up. In fact I'd wager one of his dollars earned from stealing others work, and then essentially saying he has a right to do so, that he'd have trouble getting a proper stereo image at the mix position with a head that big. Christ there's still even people out there that think Oakenfold's a producer when his lackey does all the real work

[thefool]

In fact I'd wager one of his dollars earned from stealing others work, and then essentially saying he has a right to do so, that he'd have trouble getting a proper stereo image at the mix position with a head that big. Christ there's still even people out there that think Oakenfold's a producer when his lackey does all the real work

While all you said MIGHT be true:

I am pretty sure he did a lot of work in the start, though. No way he got to that position without lots of hard work and talent, though. Not like somebody dragged him in from the streets "hey you look good. Lets give you lots of makeup and then let you be the new superstar producer"

HOWEVER i might be wrong i might be right. I don't think i know it all

[Lazos]

Pixelbox, I don't understand your sig. Please explain it to me.(Sorry to threadjack, people)

Okay, really . . . fuck trance, tarnce or whatever the hell people like to call it, now carry on . . .

[leisuremuffin]

You're alright, thefool. I just get upset when people dismiss whole genres of music. it's something that sparks a knee jerk reaction in me. I truly believe that it's in any musician/producer/engineer/writer's best interest to check out everything that is out there with an open mind. I've found something good in every genre out there. Sometimes it might just be one small lesson, but there's always something there to find. Really! Also, i get a bit upset when cats shit on timbo, because i'm just so happy that he brought the kind of music that i've been involved in and love so much more into focus in the mainstream. Nobody else has brought that idm/techno/trance sound to the masses like that. Shit, it might even end up getting one of us a gig making Rnb or hip hop tracks.



I don't really feel that dance music (and i'm including hip hop and RnB in there along with our various techno and breaks genres) is overcompressed. I think it's an appropriate choice for what the music is intended for. It's for dance parties and to be played over big club systems with huge sub-woofers. It's not freakin opera. it's either on or off. What i mean is that as material, there isn't really any dynamic range built into the compositions to begin with.






and with singers, that's how it's been for ages.

most singers don't write their own songs in any genre. Annnnd get more credit that the folks who wrote the books.

Was Billie Holiday bad because she sang songs that other people wrote? Tough sell.


but yeah, i agree with you on the whole faces in front of the music thing. What it really is is the entertainment industry killing the music industry. There isn't really much interest left in the world for plain old music.



.lm.

[pixelbox]

Pixelbox, I don't understand your sig. Please explain it to me.(Sorry to threadjack, people)

Okay, really . . . fuck trance, tarnce or whatever the hell people like to call it, now carry on . . .

Actually, neither do I. It's a quote from some poster on the forums here that must have been high as fuck. I'm too stupid to have grabbed his forum name.

Oops

Edit: Ah I remember now...good 'ole Radib. Here are his greatest hits...

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

[C.S.]

Before timbaland, the vast majority of hip hop and rnb production was entirely sample loop based.

I remember back in like 96 or 97 when I first hear the Timbaland and Magoo track Luv2luvu it sounded completely different from anything else out there at the time, synth lines, syncopation, wasn't based on some old blue note stuff. Shit was so hot. Still love 95% of Timbaland productions, he makes the artists around him better. Whatever happened to Magoo? He had a nasaly q-tip thing going for him.

[Lazos]

To Pixelbox:

ooh. okay. I suppose you can "tear" whatever meaning from it you like.

Thanks!

[thefool]

I just get upset when people dismiss whole genres of music. it's something that sparks a knee jerk reaction in me. I truly believe that it's in any musician/producer/engineer/writer's best interest to check out everything that is out there with an open mind.

I think I did write in some thread that i don't have preferred genres. In the start of this thread, maybe. Funny though, we have exactly the same viewpoint on it and yet still got in a discussion about it

It wasn't really my thought to dismiss the whole RnB genre, but the fact that it IS the major POP music genre, and the most commercialized one, its the goal for my bullet. So currently it seems like there is an ever flowing stream of RnB tracks with faces as singers. which leads me to:

but yeah, i agree with you on the whole faces in front of the music thing. What it really is is the entertainment industry killing the music industry. There isn't really much interest left in the world for plain old music.

Bang on the spot. there isn't much interest left for the music. More for the faces. And RnB is a really really bad example, where the biggest stars are all frauds (nearly. i don't blame everybody there, again!)

i get a bit upset when cats shit on timbo, because i'm just so happy that he brought the kind of music that i've been involved in and love so much more into focus in the mainstream.

Alright, thats another point. No matter if he stole some sounds or not, or if he got 10 producers sitting beside him and only doing a little work, he is still known as a producer to the people. And he brought producers in the front. Sadly, there was too much sale in his music and it all went really commercialized. But the two things can't coexist (the only way he wouldn't get commercialized was if nobody liked what he did)

Shit, it might even end up getting one of us a gig making Rnb or hip hop tracks.

Depends a bit on how long it stays in focus. I mean, POP definition is moving. This year its RnB, maybe in 5 years its rock again, or something 3rd even.

It's for dance parties and to be played over big club systems with huge sub-woofers. It's not freakin opera. it's either on or off. What i mean is that as material, there isn't really any dynamic range built into the compositions to begin with.

Its not overcompressed for the use there, no, but for listening at the radio.

Maybe i should make a new thread about fucking radio stations for screwing up good records hehe (i heard the local play some electronic stuff one day. Tiesto or something. Damn, they compressed it so much it was horrible listening to. Now don't say tiesto is allways horrible, but you get what i mean. And that stuff is pretty compressed BEFORE airing.)

[leisuremuffin]

Timbaland's tracks are absolutely stellar from a mixing perspective,

And that's because he ain't mixing them. Wake up and read the credits - he ain't doin jack mixing wise other than showin' up. In fact I'd wager one of his dollars earned from stealing others work, and then essentially saying he has a right to do so, that he'd have trouble getting a proper stereo image at the mix position with a head that big. Christ there's still even people out there that think Oakenfold's a producer when his lackey does all the real work

Sure, your right, he doesn't mix all of those records. Probably has very little to do with tracking vocals too. But i'll bet that not much of the drum and key parts that he writes gets changed at all. And the stuff he writes is really good. There's a difference between that and sombody like sasha putting his face on a track that he barely touched at all.




as far as stealing other peoples work, he's one of the people who steered the entire genre away from a style of production that was built on nothing but stealing other peoples work. He deserves some credt for that. And like i said, it's his influence that has opened up that whole market for people like us to work in if we choose to.



.lm.

[Nod]

In fact I'd wager one of his dollars earned from stealing others work, and then essentially saying he has a right to do so, that he'd have trouble getting a proper stereo image at the mix position with a head that big. Christ there's still even people out there that think Oakenfold's a producer when his lackey does all the real work

While all you said MIGHT be true:

No. The last part sentence absolute fact I assure you - whilst the former is an humorous assumption based on known facts and credit lists

[leisuremuffin]

Before timbaland, the vast majority of hip hop and rnb production was entirely sample loop based.

I remember back in like 96 or 97 when I first hear the Timbaland and Magoo track Luv2luvu it sounded completely different from anything else out there at the time, synth lines, syncopation, wasn't based on some old blue note stuff. Shit was so hot. Still love 95% of Timbaland productions, he makes the artists around him better. Whatever happened to Magoo? He had a nasaly q-tip thing going for him.

exactly.


magoo, shit, i dunno, he fell off the map.


.lm.

[thefool]

In fact I'd wager one of his dollars earned from stealing others work, and then essentially saying he has a right to do so, that he'd have trouble getting a proper stereo image at the mix position with a head that big. Christ there's still even people out there that think Oakenfold's a producer when his lackey does all the real work

While all you said MIGHT be true:

No. The last part sentence absolute fact I assure you - whilst the former is an humorous assumption based on known facts and credit lists

oh not doubting the last hehe
About his head that wasn't nice to say

[Nod]

Sure, your right, he doesn't mix all of those records. Probably has very little to do with tracking vocals too. But i'll bet that not much of the drum and key parts that he writes gets changed at all. And the stuff he writes is really good. There's a difference between that and sombody like sasha putting his face on a track that he barely touched at all.

That's a reasonable point - on the basis that he is the one doing it. Sadly I can't make that assumption and would only believe it if the process was captured on unedited film. In much the same way I don't assume that someone can genuinely sing note perfect just because it happens to be on a record. The old adage of knowing 'too much' about music to really enjoy it may well be applicable - the other side of that is that your appreciation for genuine magic is all the more potent.

as far as stealing other peoples work, he's one of the people who steered the entire genre away from a style of production that was built on nothing but stealing other peoples work. He deserves some credt for that. And like i said, it's his influence that has opened up that whole market for people like us to work in if we choose to.

Why exactly do you think TL is somehow responsible for this? In my view it's another example of the application of cheap consumer music technology versus much stricter sampling laws (hence no more 'real' PE records). If you think he's really done something worthwhile I can certainly respect your views LM quite simply because they certainly come over as far better constructed than any of his I've heard