Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:33 pm
stfuRibbedSauce wrote:looks like bounce has become a robot who is only programmed to tell people to shut up
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can't believe - does reason really sound better than live?
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:38 pm
the truth is that both apps are going to color your sound in one way or another. now, it might be a bit more "transparent" in Live, or at least feel that way. i mean at least you still have waveforms and spectrum to look at. who the fuck knows what Reason is doing under the hood?! could be anything really. i have a pretty massive collection of very nice multisampled instruments that sound terrific in every sampler in the world (hard or soft) EXCEPT NN-XT. it adds a thick layer of shit and noise on top and requires gating to make it go away. how else can you explain taking 500MB worth of samples, then packing it into a ReFill and the ReFill is 250MB? major compression happening. whether that equates to bit reduction or sound loss, who the fudge knows but the Props. anyway, rambling. and done.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:39 pm
no it only works for bounce..you just look like a twat nowmusicmachine wrote:stfuRibbedSauce wrote:looks like bounce has become a robot who is only programmed to tell people to shut up
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:27 pm
The explanation is pretty simple. Like bitmap graphics, pcm audio contains redundant data. You can compress bitmaps to PNG without any image quality loss by removing redundant data. Likewise you can compress digital pcm audio without any quality loss (for instance FLAC, APE ... or Refill for that matter).tjwett wrote: [...] how else can you explain taking 500MB worth of samples, then packing it into a ReFill and the ReFill is 250MB? major compression happening. whether that equates to bit reduction or sound loss, who the fudge knows but the Props. anyway, rambling. and done.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:59 pm
Sorry, it does not work like that in the science of audio and the hearing perception..I think your "reason" ing is skewed.ultrasonyk wrote: No doubt - if i had bad monitors - reason would sound as bad too,
so f**k that hazzles about my monitors.
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You might want to tell me that 10dBu + 10dBu=20dBu. Reason could very well sound good on bad monitors while Live sounds bad on the same monitors, and vice versa. It all has to do with how the Speakers are wired, ie Frequency Response, THD etc. and how compatible to each setting is the Recording Software's algorithms.
IMHO, a bad application could sound better on bad monitors than a good application on good monitors. What makes the difference is the compatibility regarding the other factors as mentioned above.
Not to take anything away from Reason. From my perspective, science apart, I have very high regards for Reason's sound.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:02 pm
musicmachine wrote:stfu
here's a hint
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:14 pm
reasons audio sucks so bad they have to hide finishing effects at the end
of the chain to make wankers think it sounds amazing..
i can't believe people use reason to produce, it sounds like a gd tinker toy.
of the chain to make wankers think it sounds amazing..
i can't believe people use reason to produce, it sounds like a gd tinker toy.
Re: here's a hint
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:41 pm
EVERYTHING NEEDS PROCESSINGgomi wrote:reasons audio sucks so bad they have to hide finishing effects at the end
of the chain to make wankers think it sounds amazing..
i can't believe people use reason to produce, it sounds like a gd tinker toy.
TOOL
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:49 pm
b0unce wrote:musicmachine wrote:stfu
Re: here's a hint
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:52 pm
IMO it depends on the genre music being produced, and possibly also the GUI in relation to what one wants to acheive.gomi wrote:reasons audio sucks so bad they have to hide finishing effects at the end
of the chain to make wankers think it sounds amazing..
i can't believe people use reason to produce, it sounds like a gd tinker toy.
Like for me, I tried using Live's instruments in earlier years and was turned off. Tried it since and have seen some improvements. However, I still tend to use Reason for the bass, rythm and organ samplers and sometimes for laying drum tracks. Yet, I still have a lot of respect for Live's Instruments. I always promise myself to spend some more time to study them.
IMO I think Reason's sound and presets (for lazy sound engineers like myself who prefer to just play ready made instruments) are more suited to Hard Rock/Reggae sound.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:53 pm
ultrasonyk wrote:this just illustrates again how a child
behaves when you tell him that his toy sucks.
Ultrasonyk... When using an audio software package, it's much more preferrable to have it actually sound faithfully like the stuff you put in. And believe me and the others who are responding, this has been tested many, many times: Live does give you what you put in.
If your preference, on the other hand, is overhyping the sounds (in this case drums) by default, so that they are "powerful" enough off the bat... (that is, if that's what's really happening) ...there's not much anyone can say. Anything other than, for example, I think that's frightening and perverse.
The whole idea of racks in Live is that you can easily save elaborate processing chains, complete with instruments, and then just drag them into another project when you need them. You can build a drum signal chain that suits your needs, and then just drag that in a second into a new project. But of course, in your opinion that's "using 10+ effects and not giving a powerful sound by default", eh?
Ignorance is bliss, I guess
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:54 pm
stfub0unce wrote:b0unce wrote:musicmachine wrote:stfu
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:58 pm
it's preferable if you have a proper way of listening to the goddamn thing in the first place.Nokatus wrote:Ultrasonyk... When using an audio software package, it's much more preferrable to have it actually sound faithfully like the stuff you put in. And believe me and the others who are responding, this has been tested many, many times: Live does give you what you put in.ultrasonyk wrote:this just illustrates again how a child
behaves when you tell him that his toy sucks.
I love how this guy (the OP) is not trying to come off like he knows what he's talking about. he won't invest in making his shit sound good over monitors but somehow he's some critic on DAWs and posters here.
hey kid, seriously, stfu. you have a LOT to learn, there are a lot of posters here that have mastered concepts you may never be exposed to.
I do take you as a nice guy, but that's not going to get you far.
unleash the badgers!!!!
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:33 pm
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:35 pm