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Poster wrote:

landrvr1 wrote:I'm sure this has been brought up before, but it would sure make a whole lot of sense to split the Session View and Arrangement View into two different products. Two separate development teams cranking away to produce the best of each; making sure that each version can flawlessly communicate with the other if need be.

that would be a very bad idea i.m.o.
Arrange without Session would lead to DAW #1248932 on the market..
what Ableton has to do is make sure Arrange and Session really complement each other..
currently they don't do that.. I would even say they ARE almost 2 different 'products'..

There should be a bridge between the two, communicating back and forward, making it ONE product..
so that linear arranging would become non-linear in a linear fashion....
i.m.o. that should be the assignment for the coming release(s).. Not splitting features into different products..

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Im quite new to Live7 but love what it does with my creative flow. Bam ...my idea is there.
But i run on 7.0.3 now and gonna install the 7.0.7. SHall i uninstall the previous one after installing the new??????
Dont want my previous projects and settings to disappear.How do i do this the right way ???????????

Just install 7.0.7. You get 2 Lives on your computer (in your case 7.0.3 and 7.0.7). Test the new version and if it runs stable just deinstall the older one.

Sweet.............


Thanx alot

> There should be a bridge between the two, communicating back and forward,
> making it ONE product..
> so that linear arranging would become non-linear in a linear fashion....

there is. it's called the record button.

bensuthers wrote:> There should be a bridge between the two, communicating back and forward,
> making it ONE product..
> so that linear arranging would become non-linear in a linear fashion....

there is. it's called the record button.

ok.. and then after recording from session>arrange, doing some tweaks, I want to drag the whole lot back to session again..

ain't gonna work..

Poster wrote:

bensuthers wrote:> There should be a bridge between the two, communicating back and forward,
> making it ONE product..
> so that linear arranging would become non-linear in a linear fashion....

there is. it's called the record button.

ok.. and then after recording from session>arrange, doing some tweaks, I want to drag the whole lot back to session again..

ain't gonna work..

how could it possibly work?????

to go backwards from arrange would require every clip in session view to become tied to a timeline, AND each clip would need to store endless extra information to know how to tweak itself and when... sounds unworkable to me...

either that or there would have to be some kinda convert-to-session button that recreates a new session with a whole new set of clips in it, which also sounds weird...

linear arrangements in a non-linear linear fashion?????

fishmonkey wrote:

Poster wrote:

bensuthers wrote:> There should be a bridge between the two, communicating back and forward,
> making it ONE product..
> so that linear arranging would become non-linear in a linear fashion....

there is. it's called the record button.

ok.. and then after recording from session>arrange, doing some tweaks, I want to drag the whole lot back to session again..

ain't gonna work..

how could it possibly work?????

to go backwards from arrange would require every clip in session view to become tied to a timeline, AND each clip would need to store endless extra information to know how to tweak itself and when... sounds unworkable to me...

either that or there would have to be some kinda convert-to-session button that recreates a new session with a whole new set of clips in it, which also sounds weird...

linear arrangements in a non-linear linear fashion?????

isn't the whole point of Live so you can trigger things on the fly? as soon \as you get into arrange you can't do it any more

I think some kind of 'group clip' where you can put a bunch of clips in the one container is a great idea - remember all clips really are is a kind of container themselves, either for audio files or MIDI information

maybe think of it like a kind of clip freeze that you can unfreeze

fishmonkey wrote:

Poster wrote:

bensuthers wrote:> There should be a bridge between the two, communicating back and forward,
> making it ONE product..
> so that linear arranging would become non-linear in a linear fashion....

there is. it's called the record button.

ok.. and then after recording from session>arrange, doing some tweaks, I want to drag the whole lot back to session again..

ain't gonna work..

how could it possibly work?????

imagine session clips could contain 'mini arrangements'..
this would require a new clip format.. as Angstrom calls them 'meta clips'..
essentially this clip could contain whatever you want; cut ups, different audio files, etc..
because session clips cannot hold detailed edits (cutups, absolute automation, etc) you are forced to do such in arrange..

fishmonkey wrote:linear arrangements in a non-linear linear fashion?????

session = non-linear
arrange = linear

what I mean is that if arrange can sequence alot more like session, so not necessarily A>B
think; a playlist for start locators, alias clips, scene playlist or a 'scene draw' lane, etc..

i get the concepts, my point is that the implementation sounds like it would be very messy, and make session view -- and clips in particular -- a lot more complicated than they are now...

fishmonkey wrote:i get the concepts, my point is that the implementation sounds like it would be very messy, and make session view -- and clips in particular -- a lot more complicated than they are now...

I don't think that would get messy at all, a tad more complicated yes..
but that's fine to me if I can get more out of it..

Poster wrote: I don't think that would get messy at all, a tad more complicated yes..
but that's fine to me if I can get more out of it..

+1

hello. i ve installed the upgrade for 7.0.7 as i always do.
for 7.0.3 to 7.0.7 , but he didn t unlock automatically and it is asking for "any serial"
i ve typed the serial cd number and it didnt matched. what should i do?
did it happened to any of you?
weird
thanks

djjepe wrote:hello. i ve installed the upgrade for 7.0.7 as i always do.
for 7.0.3 to 7.0.7 , but he didn t unlock automatically and it is asking for "any serial"
i ve typed the serial cd number and it didnt matched. what should i do?
did it happened to any of you?
weird
thanks

i think they've just changed the interface... it's a bit confusing...

actually if you have already unlocked previously, you don't have to put a code in at all, just click the button below...

so did i read it wrong, or is there a bug fix for 7.0.7 available?