Anybody else NOT excitedly anticipating Live 8?

robleighton22 · Post by **robleighton22** » Fri May 30, 2008 3:33 pm

ausgeno wrote:7 was a terrific upgrade for me, Drumracks and Sidechaining were worth the price of entry alone, but I can't think of anything critical I need from 8.

i agree. i find drum/group racks to b such innotive feature. it used to take up so much space putting drums on separate tracks. plus the whole mpc style design is perfect for me as i hav an mpc. slicing is amazing. even tho i dont sample that much anymore, ive always thought a daw should b able to do this. ableton has the functions of soundforge, recycle and an mpc. so need to use either of those thigns anymore. the only advantage my mpc had was the unique swing. but i can get over now having that and enjoy the money i get for the mpc.

i was surprised at how much i actually like the new features as when they were listed i wasnt that impressed initially. i use drum racks all the time for separatign my kits, and find it really quick and easy to use. and sidechaining is a wkd trick.

i would pay to hav automation in session. also i would love to see more focus for live djs. suh as multiple loop positions that can be triggered on the fly. less new effects and insturment you have to pay for and mroe clever ways to improve efficiency and workflow.

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Fri May 30, 2008 3:43 pm

Well, they say the even-numbered releases are the big ones. I'll definitely be considering very carefully before laying out the cash this time.

andydes · Post by **andydes** » Fri May 30, 2008 3:57 pm

I'll get excited when I see what's on offer. Didn't see much advantage for me in getting 5, but 6 and 7 were both worth it to me.

I understand why everyone was talking about what to expect in 8 as soon as 7 was released, though. At least there's a chance that the feature requests might get in. I imagine Ableton are probably starting to think about what should go in version 9 by now.

I'd be supprised if 8 has a raft of new instruments. They've pretty much covered their bases there. And a lot of work must have gone into rewriting the audio engine, largely to stop people moaning about sound quality than because it really needed it. I suppose 8 could see a lot of improvements in general workflow as this seems to be everyone's gripe at the moment.

robleighton22 · Post by **robleighton22** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:01 pm

yeh agree. i think each new release is significant, but some of the things when u look back should have been included for free really rather than a full upgrade. for instance the option to right click being included in live 5, that really should hav always been an option.

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:10 pm

fuck y'all...I want my vocoder...you hear me, Claes? give me that goddamn vocoder, mother bitches!!!

andydes · Post by **andydes** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:12 pm

nebulae wrote:fuck y'all...I want my vocoder...you hear me, Claes? give me that goddamn vocoder, mother bitches!!!

That might be the new instrument you have to pay extra for. There'll be a riot.

Grappadura · Post by **Grappadura** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:38 pm

what a nightmare!

jlgrimes · Post by **jlgrimes** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:51 pm

forge wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:sidechain effects, drum racks, the slicer, the detailed fader readout, Hi-Q mode on plug ins, multiple automations lanes, Spectrum... all obscure needless additions to L7 that take hours of studying to use but aren't really useful. <sarcasm>
all those things are great, but due to the things I mentioned they are actually way more complicated to use

you havent yet encountered the sea of faders or ocean of grey?

m,aybe you dont use many tracks, but I'm finding working in any decent sized project really hard to see what's going on

I don't think too many features is causing this issue but more a lack of features.

That is why many users of Live want better track management features like,

1. Folder tracks
2. Grouping of tracks.

And also features don't always have to add clutter. Many features can just be options hidden up in the menus or activated by a key command.

Working with 24 + tracks taxes screen real estate and Live needs the options to get around that hurdle.

robleighton22 · Post by **robleighton22** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:27 pm

jlgrimes wrote:
forge wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:sidechain effects, drum racks, the slicer, the detailed fader readout, Hi-Q mode on plug ins, multiple automations lanes, Spectrum... all obscure needless additions to L7 that take hours of studying to use but aren't really useful. <sarcasm>
all those things are great, but due to the things I mentioned they are actually way more complicated to use

you havent yet encountered the sea of faders or ocean of grey?

m,aybe you dont use many tracks, but I'm finding working in any decent sized project really hard to see what's going on
I don't think too many features is causing this issue but more a lack of features.

That is why many users of Live want better track management features like,

1. Folder tracks
2. Grouping of tracks.

And also features don't always have to add clutter. Many features can just be options hidden up in the menus or activated by a key command.

Working with 24 + tracks taxes screen real estate and Live needs the options to get around that hurdle.

drum racks and groups do a large bit of that in live 7. do agree, i think the best part of live are the advances its made in layout and workflow, so hiding option, and better arrangement is definitely essential to improvign the program.

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:31 pm

I'm so glad that mouse-wheel zooming made it into the spec for L8!

^ this is how unexecuted rumors get started

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat May 31, 2008 12:17 am

robleighton22 wrote: drum racks and groups do a large bit of that in live 7. .

for me they have gone the opposite way - we should have had group tracks before that inline rack mixer - we need to hide drums, not expand them - we need more screen space back, not more ways to eat it up

I was very excited about drum racks at firstt, but after using them for a good few months now I find it does more to impede my workflow - no clips, no track delay and a different set of sends in the inline rack mixer do very little to help

when we get group tracks I doubt I'll use the drum racks - I will just have each drum sound on it's own track and then group them together with group tracks

or maybe just adding clips and track delay and automatically routing the sends to the main returns by default will make them much better

the thing that concerns me is that we now have the little arrows for the inline rack mixer, but we'll need something like that for real group tracks - where will it go? no room for another

I may still use drum racks as sub racks for groups of things like toms etc, but even there in some ways instrument racks are better because you can do velocity layering

but I just find really big drum racks way to complicated and cumbersome to use - they are like big vast mazes

it will be very interesting to see where Live 8 takes us - if the C74 thing happens by then I wonder if we'll have the option of things like a macro or drum pad plug-in so that we could for example make our own drum rack out of a group track then stick the plug-in on it to control it

I think we will get proper group tracks because so many people request it, possibly same with dual monitor support

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Sat May 31, 2008 1:46 am

smutek wrote:Happy here with live 5

same here.

roby · Post by **roby** » Sat May 31, 2008 1:52 am

beats me wrote:It's like Live is going to become Reaktor:The Daw.

actually that would be one hell of a product. i would buy that!!!!

Damon_Chambers · Post by **Damon_Chambers** » Sat May 31, 2008 3:55 am

live 6 here and still no need to upgrade.

daniel_grieff · Post by **daniel_grieff** » Sat May 31, 2008 4:30 pm

One thing and one thing only I desire from an upgrade. Sound on sound looping.That is all.