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nice! I should try that as I'm still cutting resonant frequencies with master eq, until the very final mixing...

You know, after browsing this thread for a while, something has become shockingly apparent....

For all the Flak that M-Audio guys get on the Ableton forums, there sure a lot of people using their products (myself included)... Is there a particular reason why they get flamed so much, or are we all just trying to sound like uber-cool Studio Technicians / Engineers who can afford the overpriced rare pre-amps & interfaces made by "better" companies???

microlive wrote:You know, after browsing this thread for a while, something has become shockingly apparent....

For all the Flak that M-Audio guys get on the Ableton forums, there sure a lot of people using their products (myself included)... Is there a particular reason why they get flamed so much, or are we all just trying to sound like uber-cool Studio Technicians / Engineers who can afford the overpriced rare pre-amps & interfaces made by "better" companies???

i guess it's the price / investment if you not make a lot of money out of music... any serious gear costs serious money.

same counts for behringer, they are budget. and most people can only invest that much, that doesn't make there products any good, though...

i have one single behringer myself a bcf 2000, it's cheap and it's somehow working, for live playing i thought to myself do i want to spend a lot of money on something i treat like shit, i mean you play... , rough action tweaking the knobs, dust, sweat, heat, spilled drinks, throughing it in a bag in and out, etc. for that if it's fucked, i just get a new one, cause it doesn't rob the bank and no actuall audio travels through it, otherwise i would not ever touch a behringer product.

microlive wrote:You know, after browsing this thread for a while, something has become shockingly apparent....

For all the Flak that M-Audio guys get on the Ableton forums, there sure a lot of people using their products (myself included)... Is there a particular reason why they get flamed so much, or are we all just trying to sound like uber-cool Studio Technicians / Engineers who can afford the overpriced rare pre-amps & interfaces made by "better" companies???

Yeah whats the deal? All my M-audio gear is excellent.

garyboozy wrote:

I really want one of those daylight lamps.
Would be great you general use, but also for bending stuff.

oops double post.

funky shit wrote:

microlive wrote:You know, after browsing this thread for a while, something has become shockingly apparent....

For all the Flak that M-Audio guys get on the Ableton forums, there sure a lot of people using their products (myself included)... Is there a particular reason why they get flamed so much, or are we all just trying to sound like uber-cool Studio Technicians / Engineers who can afford the overpriced rare pre-amps & interfaces made by "better" companies???

Yeah whats the deal? All my M-audio gear is excellent.

Nothing, i've got a few M-Audio products myself (Audiophile FW, Trigger finger, & Evolution MIDI keyboard)... and i'm really happy with all of them. I was directing the question at some of the forum members who seemingly slag off their products because they're "mass-produced"....

microlive wrote:

funky shit wrote:

microlive wrote:You know, after browsing this thread for a while, something has become shockingly apparent....

For all the Flak that M-Audio guys get on the Ableton forums, there sure a lot of people using their products (myself included)... Is there a particular reason why they get flamed so much, or are we all just trying to sound like uber-cool Studio Technicians / Engineers who can afford the overpriced rare pre-amps & interfaces made by "better" companies???

Yeah whats the deal? All my M-audio gear is excellent.

Nothing, i've got a few M-Audio products myself (Audiophile FW, Trigger finger, & Evolution MIDI keyboard)... and i'm really happy with all of them. I was directing the question at some of the forum members who seemingly slag off their products because they're "mass-produced"....

I'd be one of those guys you're referring to.

of all the gear manufacturers M Audio by far gets the most complaints. part of that is that they sell the most gear but still, they get the most complaints. they dominate the low end gear market and with ANYTHING if you buy cheap gear you can expect cheap results. YMMV, of course some users have ZERO problems ever, it would never be that anyone could say that ALL M Audio gear breaks, they'd be out of business.

M-Audio stuff is great value for money. I personally wouldn't use it professionally, especially live. I'd go for better materials, build quality, and reliability, or have a backup.

One advantage of M-Audio/Behringer/etc being inexpensive is that having a backup is affordable.

hambone1 wrote:M-Audio stuff is great value for money. I personally wouldn't use it professionally, especially live. I'd go for better materials, build quality, and reliability, or have a backup.

One advantage of M-Audio/Behringer/etc being inexpensive is that having a backup is affordable.

A buddy of mine does sound for the casino's in Atlantic City NJ, USA. He sees Top ACTS (according to him) using a lot of behringer gear, as you can trash it, break it, throw it away and buy new stuff and have plenty of $$ left over to put things up your nose. I am shocked at the caliber of names he mentions using such gear.

hambone1 wrote:M-Audio stuff is great value for money. I personally wouldn't use it professionally, especially live. I'd go for better materials, build quality, and reliability, or have a backup.

One advantage of M-Audio/Behringer/etc being inexpensive is that having a backup is affordable.

that's a little bit -how do you say it?- ...eye-patched?

lot's of well established names use m-audio or behringer gear.... look at ritchie hawtin, t raumschmiere, sasha, cinematic ochestra, ... even daft punk has behringer controllers in there piramid!

m-audio stuff is ok. i think their drivers get them a lot of abuse. because they're shit. my FW audiophile doesn't sound too bad (or at least, i isn't the biggest contributing factor to my studio sounding like shit. my non-acoustically treated room is). but the drivers are shite. sometimes it doesn't detect itself. sometimes no sound comes out and you have to restart. sometimes it recognises itself if you press the "reset" button in the software mixer thing. recently it's been doing this thing were if you alter the main out volume it does silent, until you click the headphone "mute" button, then it comes back on. fucking weird. but, 130 quid. you get what you pay for.

Here´s my humble cockpit


but it does the job for my taste...

and yes, m-audio is crap - except the bag, very good ballistic nylon

The kit:
Edirol PCR-M1
Novation ReMOTE SL Zero
Korg PadKontrol
HP Presario R3000 with 1.25 GB ram, Athlon 64 3000+
Browning 9mm Service Pistol (two 13 round mags)
C7A2 5.56mm Service Rifle with C79 Optical Scope (five 30 round mags)
Kevlar helmet with ballistic goggles
Frag vest with ballistic insert plates

M. Bréqs