Yes I know it is provocative and at the first look it seems I am the one who started this.ze2be wrote:When you basicly say "fuck you fanboys" in your signature, you seriously cant expect to be treated with silk glows in the middle of fanboy town.simpli.cissimus wrote:...and wash your mouth, or you get in trouble with your mom for the bad words you use.
Don't you have any manors ?
Some of these additudes bring a lot of cloudy disturbance to the discussion. See, most of you have some good points, it just doesnt go through because of these additudes.
Im sort of in the middle here. First I just would like to figure out whats going on, so that I can adjust to it. And I do get bad timing/muddy trancients from time to time on the heavy sort of projects, without doing anything extreme really. Its more that it adds up over time. The kick might be a tiny bit off sync with the hats. Then later on a send delay might be a bit off sync with the snare. Later there is even more with new automation. Right there and then you dont realy care, but in the final stages of the composition, if you listen for it, you might be supriced! The more trancients are off each others timing, the mudier the end mix.
I will do some research on my own when I get some time. For now, with those spesific projects its rescue operation. Only 2 out of 20 projects of mine were bad, and they all are sort of heavy loaders with multiple lanes of automation on each track. So its not a huge problem to me, but a small to medium one. Heres the thing: I might do more then 2 compressors on many tracks, because of kick ducking, snare ducking, and also normal compression. On heavy track loads you might need heavy side chaining aka ducking to make it all work together. I use a sort of channel strip rack on all tracks, with eq8, limiter, auto pan and auto filter. Then a rack with 2 side chained gates and the kick and the snare sidechain compressors. Usually not a problem.. But when all this stuf gets automated, then send effects automated, then new plugs in between, in the end.. It might turn out a bit of a trainwreck. I guarante you would not want to release it like this!
Im not saying my workflow is perfect, far from it, and its constantly evolving! I will build a new tighter latency centric template workflow with live 9. But for now im at the final stages of an album, 3 years in the process, and I cant really change to much this late. Whats done is done. Just get the timing right, and out the door to mastering. New problems, new lessons, new knowledge, learn, improve, evolve, become happy, move on ->
See thru all the posted comments here on this thread.
You'll see who started being rude and badly treated people who started to comment about problems with PDC.
Many of them received harsh comments from those"Fanboys" who think they can bully people around here.
When you look how they act on other threads with other people, you'll see the same pattern over and over again.
I never had problems with bully's, I was always able to make them good or become good.
In one way or the other...
I just never pull back and let them win !
They can't beat me mentally or physically.
I stay calm and never loose my words like they do.
Sometimes I am provocative, but not in rage..., and not by using words or swearing.
It's just childish and shows a level of helplessness doing that. I am not helpless !
Many of these guys are sworn defenders at all cost and someone,, not only me, criticizing
Live is always a threat to them. They show that and comment this way.
All readable in many comments inside this thread.
You can read how they attacked others in this thread and in others before and later.
I gave them just something to bite on, with my signature of those Fanboy-Sheeps.
It just fits and say's with one picture the whole truth.
The reactions came as expected ! No surprise on that point for me...
I won't back up from those bully's, but I'm open to have a clean cut and go back to a
respectful way of discussion. If I see it's not working, I just reply as I see fit.
Ill be back with more tests after cristmas.
and before that i played guitar in several bands. i always had fun making music/producing/performing but never so much like with ableton and the biggest point for me: i never finished so much stuff like now with ableton.
peace guys ...