Holy fuck. The following discussion is what happens when Microsoft announces a new OS. Fascinating.
Someone needs to tell MS that most desktop users run PROGRAMS not apps.
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Rob83 jstevez • 9 hours ago
Programs and apps are the same thing really..
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newstradomus Rob83 • 9 hours ago
Yes and no, apps use cloud computing, most of the stuff that requires horsepower is done by a server site and spits answers back to your device. Whereas an program runs locally, and you need the horsepower on your desktop.
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kftgr newstradomus • 6 hours ago
App is short for application, which is another way of saying program. You can have an app run without having any internet (and thus, cloud) capability at all.
What you are probably thinking of are web apps, which do use the web and typically has most of the computing happen on the server.
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mateo newstradomus • 8 hours ago
Not all apps use cloud computing. A lot of mobile apps do, but there are plenty of mobile apps that run fine without an internet connection so they are just using the processor in your phone and not an external server. Most desktop apps run locally but some run on external servers as well. Web apps basically all run on external servers.
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IAmNotATroll newstradomus • 8 hours ago
This guys gets it.
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jvjrm123 newstradomus • 8 hours ago
I love this... I will buy once it is available.
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Inquisitionfire jvjrm123 • 4 hours ago
Buy a MAC you will have less stress and live longer.
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Rick J Inquisitionfire • 4 hours ago
I have 3... no thanks.
Spinning beach balls and gray screens of death are no better.
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netizen24601 Rick J • 2 hours ago
hmmm. Interesting. I have yet to see a gray screen. When does that come up?
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Abercrombie & Fitch Co. netizen24601 • an hour ago
I'm assuming after the 'spinning beach ball'
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hunger Inquisitionfire • 4 hours ago
true. Less capability = less stress
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R43d99 Inquisitionfire • 40 minutes ago
I too love MAC, but I have passion towards windows. I started buying PC when XP was introduced and now I have one 7 and one 8. Both of them working fine. I will upgrade from 7 to 10 either this year or next year.
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Inquisitionfire R43d99 • 30 minutes ago
You should upgrade the 8 to the 10 they will be offering a discount or free upgrade.
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R43d99 Inquisitionfire • 27 minutes ago
Thanks for your info.
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Guest newstradomus • 8 hours ago
It is not called Horsepower. it is Memory and good size RAM with good size GZ.
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mateo Guest • 7 hours ago
RAM is Random Access Memory so saying "it is Memory and good size RAM" is redundant and stupid. Horsepower is mostly referring to the processor, not the memory. There is nothing wrong with using the term "horsepower".
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jvjrm123 mateo • 7 hours ago
You are right..
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Jeffrey W Brown Guest • 3 hours ago
If you want true, good performance, worry less about cramming RAM in every crevice of the machine and get better disk I/O.
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netizen24601 Jeffrey W Brown • 2 hours ago
Or get a computer that has had the OS optimized for the hardware. You will get better performance. Add a good hard drive on top of that and it will scream.
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netizen24601 newstradomus • 2 hours ago
"apps use cloud computing, most of the stuff that requires horsepower is done by a server site and spits answers back to your device. Whereas an program runs locally, and you need the horsepower on your desktop."
Oh man. Some people get a computer and think they are experts.
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hunger newstradomus • 4 hours ago
Not close to correct
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newstradomus hunger • 3 hours ago
I write apps genius, so why don't you tell me how it works.
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netizen24601 newstradomus • 2 hours ago
Ahh. Perhaps you should look at a dictionary since that usually hold the universally accepted definition of a word.
From Wesbesters definition of application:
(3) : a program (as a word processor or a spreadsheet) that performs one of the major tasks for which a computer is used
Did you spot where it was stated that it involves the cloud? Application and Program are the same thing.
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hunger newstradomus • 2 hours ago
I'm a a programmer too mr. smarty pants. Use of 'the cloud' is not a qualifier for what is an 'app'.
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Cataccord Rob83 • 9 hours ago
But Microsoft now calls their Start Screen apps "Modern Apps" which is not the same as applications that run on the desktop.
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Rob83 Cataccord • 9 hours ago
Apps are still programs.
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Iseeitall Rob83 • 9 hours ago
Technically the word "apps" was created to defy a "small program that runs on a mobile platform."
Your point is still valid but that's like calling a potato, french fries.
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Rick J Iseeitall • 4 hours ago
How old are you?
The term "App" has been around since the 80's.
It is short for Application, not what type of platform it runs on.
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Sammy Z Iseeitall • 5 hours ago
Agreed. Whenever I hear the term "App," I think of an application designed to run on quickly and efficiently on a low power platform with a small form-factor like tablets, phones or netbook PCs. Applications/Programs are synonymous with full sized, full power computing devices like laptops or desktop PCs. They are fully functional with full robust functionality and interactivity with other programs.
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Ixion Sammy Z • 5 hours ago
I just call everything a program no matter what it runs on. It drives the teenagers nuts, but no matter how you slice it, no matter what kind of device code is running on it is still a program in every way.
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yessir Ixion • 3 hours ago
Well just to clear it up for you, programs run the application, an application does not run a program. Hence there only being two types of software , the operating system and the applications. Programs are categories within an application. But due to modern trending people mix them together and now the are interchangeable because people don't understand the sublets of software.
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CriticalSection yessir • 2 hours ago
programs don't run the application, the kernel hosts the process which is the construct that the application is loaded into, the scheduler schedules the threads in the process that runs on the CPU. An application is the same as a program; now urban dictionaries might say applications are mobile only, but that is just urban understanding.
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yessir CriticalSection • 29 minutes ago
Once again another failure.
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Sammy Z Ixion • 5 hours ago
No argument here. I was speaking more of the everyday, layman's use of the term "App."
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mateo Iseeitall • 8 hours ago
The term was originally mostly used for mobile applications, but can also be used for desktop applications, web applications, web applications, etc.
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Cataccord Rob83 • 9 hours ago
But according to Microsoft, not all programs are Apps. That is the problem.
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Ixion Cataccord • 5 hours ago
If it has lines of code that are written by a person or another program to make a device do something, it is a program. so App is in the end, just another way to say program. MS can define things anyway they want, but at the end of the day apps have to be programmed and thus might as well be programs.
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IAmNotATroll Rob83 • 8 hours ago
Kinda yes; kinda no. The general public thinks they're the same but contrary to popular belief, they are in fact very different.
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mateo IAmNotATroll • 8 hours ago
How are they "very different"? "Programs" is a slightly broader term than "apps" but they can normally be used interchangeably, even by professional software engineers.
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Cataccord mateo • 8 hours ago
Google "Modern Apps". To Microsoft, Apps run in Metro while Programs run on the desktop.
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mateo Cataccord • 8 hours ago
"Modern Apps" and "Apps" are not the same term. You may notice the term "modern apps" has the word "modern" in front of it. "apps" is short for "software applications". "modern apps" was a term invented by Microsoft to refer to refer to a specific type of terrible apps that they invented.
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Cataccord mateo • 7 hours ago
And you apparently haven't noticed that Microsoft often skips the "modern" when referring to Apps.
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mateo Cataccord • 7 hours ago
"modern apps" are a small subset of apps. All "modern apps" are apps but the vast majority of apps are not "modern apps". There are thousands of companies other than Microsoft that make apps.
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Cataccord mateo • 7 hours ago
Why don't you go back to the beginning of the thread. You appear to be lost.
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mateo Cataccord • 7 hours ago
I read the entire thread before I commented. You are clearly the one that is lost. The thread began with "Someone needs to tell MS that most desktop users run PROGRAMS not apps." I pointed out that apps are programs, but you still can't seem to understand that.
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Cataccord mateo • 7 hours ago
Your point is technically correct. But that was not the point of the original post. Microsoft seems to be focused on users running (modern) apps in Metro while ignoring the applications everyone uses on the desktop. Did that help?
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mateo Cataccord • 7 hours ago
How do you know that was the point of the original post? You are not the original poster unless you are using multiple counts. It sounded like the original post was complaining about Microsoft using the term "apps" which previously was used mostly to refer to mobile applications of iphones and android phones. If he was upset with metro apps, why wouldn't he have just said so?
I personally hated the Windows 8 metro apps, and completely agree with the original post if that is what he was complaining about.
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Cataccord mateo • 7 hours ago
You interpreted it one way, I interpreted it differently. I agree with your points if you're interpretation was correct. And it sounds like you agree with me regarding my interpretation. Cheers.
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mateo Cataccord • 7 hours ago
I totally understand your interpretation now too, and I think that might be what the OP was thinking. The Windows 8 metro apps are quite similar to mobile apps that run on phones (which is what makes them so annoying on a desktop), so I understand how someone would use the term "apps" to refer to mobile apps + Windows metro apps.
