Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

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Which pad controller do you own?

Akai MPD (18, 24, 32, etc)
118
45%
Korg PadKontrol
32
12%
Akai MPK (49, 61, 88)
59
22%
M-Audio Trigger Finger
16
6%
other
40
15%
 
Total votes: 265

outershpongolia
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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by outershpongolia » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:11 am

ocdizzle wrote:
outershpongolia wrote:Has anyone compared the previous AKAI pads with an LPD8? I don't see any problem with it compared to a trigger finger and nanoPAD I've used but I'm not too picky about velocity sensitivity anyways, does the LPD8 need this mod or has AKAI caught on with this one?

I just got an LPD8 and have noticed the pads take much more force to trigger than the nanoPAD.

im going to try the mod tonight. will report back.
Nice man let me know how it works out, pictures, video, etc would be appreciated! :)

I just hope it's easy to take a part and try it out, and if I don't like it I'd want to take them off and hopefully not ruin the thing.

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by Surreal » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:38 am

somehow, this thread convinced me to return the MPD18i bought yesterday and buy a padkontrol.

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by Napole0n » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:18 am

This looks like an excellent and easy mod, I saw the link on another forum. I've been using the MPD24 for a while now and find the lack of sensitivity on the pads a pain in the backside so it's good to hear that there's such an easy and safe way to solve it.

Probably be trying this out over the weekend...

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by NicolauChow » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:55 pm

Dezai
thank you very much for the picture :P ,

I think i figured out now where the cable is linking. Let me try it again then.

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by nrg » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:35 pm

hiphopdontstop wrote:
Let me know what you guys think of this... it doesn't seem like there are many people talking about this on google or any of the forums I frequent. In my opinion, it's damn good information that needs more eyes.

-HHDS
hey hiphopdontstop, kudos to ya!
i just modded mine, which i had bought 2th hand nearly brandnew unused.
Apparently the former owner wasn't too happy about the pads sensitivity...
So i bought for a nice deal (150 euro).


and for people that have probs on VISTA or WIN7
I also upgraded the firmware to 1.03
on WINDOWS7 machine through a tip by this guy:
Originally Posted by The Real Nemosys
....
So to the point:
i found that when you get to the page where you select SYX file, before you do that go to midi then midi out ports. uncheck always start with all midi ports open option, and pick what port you want firmware to go to.
then finish the pdf instructions until you get to XX done press enter display. before pressing enter and exiting vyzex editor. reopen midi - midi out port and re check always start with all midi ports open. then exit editor and press enter.

hope this helps.
....

http://www.futureproducers.com/forums/s ... 033&page=2

Then i performed the the tape-mod that you have suggested.
And i can say i am very very pleased with this box now!

I also bought this piece of software for it, to control Ableton:
http://www.nativekontrol.com/nativeKONTROL_NPKLive.html

Love this MPD32, great investment.

Peace, later!

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by hiphopdontstop » Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:03 pm

Great to hear YET AGAIN. :)


-Chris (aka hiphopdontstop)
Philly, PA
USA

http://myspace.com/theonefourfive

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by bobninehedges » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:38 pm

I just modded my MPK25...

Took me an hour but only because I was a clumsy twat and yanked out the ribbon cable that joins the pads to the main circuit board. I had to remove the entire motherboard in order to re-attach it so be careful - the ribbon cables are pretty flimsy and don't use proper edge-connectors. They are just poked into the holes. Should only take you 20 minutes if you don't plough in like a bull elephant like I did.

Anyway - I used eight layers of electrical tape and it is now totally brilliant.

Thank you SO much hiphopdontstop - I was totally disappointed with the pads on the MPK and now I'm really happy with it.

I would hope Akai might spot this glaring design flaw and sort it out in later revisions.

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by outershpongolia » Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:37 pm

bobninehedges wrote:I would hope Akai might spot this glaring design flaw and sort it out in later revisions.
^ This is why I was wondering if anyone thought the LPD8 needed this mod, or if they had done a better job this time around.. I'm not so bent out of shape about the sensitivity because it's a step up from the nanoPAD i had, but does anyone know if it's worth opening up the LPD8 and trying it out?

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by M4rtijn » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:56 pm

To encourage other mpd users with sensitivity issues to start modding: I've just applied the modification using the original "Amalgamating tape" method as described by hiphopdontstop in the opening post to my new MPD-18. Opening the MPD-18 is much easier than opening the MPD-32: just remove the screws at the bottom, remove (pull) the knob from the fader and then you can lift the cover. That's all: the rubber pads can be removed now.

I did not go for the method that hiphopdontstop has used himself, because applying a single layer of 0.75 mm thick tape seemed easier to me than creating multiple layers of thin tape (still many thanks for posting this here!).

The exact tape I used was "3M Scotch 23", 25mm (0.98 Inch) wide "self bonding electrical tape". I created 25 x 25 mm squares. After the mod, one of the patches seemed to "hang" (giving Note On but not Note Off). Just pulling at the edges of this pad with my fingers solved this. Now all the pads respond at the slightest touch! This is a truly a huge improvement.

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by hiphopdontstop » Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:19 pm

Once again, glad to hear this is working for everyone. Keep these success stories coming!

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by ThomasHelzle » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:11 pm

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 :-)

We tried out the Roland HandSonics in our local music store and while the pads especially of the HandSonic 15 were pure joy, the sounds were pretty last century and most of them sounded like single samples with just volume controlled by the velocity, not multilayered, multisampled and randomized or otherwise made sounding alive.
It also looked extremely crappy and simply didn't make an attractive impression for 999.- Euro, as fun as the ribbon controllers and the infrared fields were...
The HandSonic 10 looked much nicer, but felt and sounded "cheaper".

We came to the conclusion that we would be fine in principle with just the pads since we have good samples already and so we checked out pad controllers. After reading this thread, it is funny that the guy in the shop explicitly recommended Akai for their especially good and responsive pads... :lol:

We took the MPD 18 home with us in the end and after some checking it out, I was pretty soon less than excited about the dynamic range. On the low end, it took too much velocity to trigger the pads (the soft response had been especially impressive with the HandSonics) and it created a kind of random hit-and-miss result if you wanted to play the full dynamic range.
At the same time, I would have liked to have a bigger range at the top as well, so when you really want to hit the pad hard, you would still get some difference in response...
We thought, well, it wasn't that expensive, you can't expect too much... - but we weren't really happy.

Some days later I thought I should search the internet, maybe there is some kind of firmware-hack to change the internal velocity response (using a velocity filter in Live didn't help a bit, since the incoming data was already bad, it only got worse), and so I stumbled over this thread, bought good tape today (Tesa extra Power Gewebeband 19mm) and applied two layers of tape on each pad (two layers are about 0.6 mm says my caliper).

Now it feels at least as responsive as the HandSonic and the dynamic range is just perfect. You can easily play rolls with two fingers on one pad. And although this shouldn't be changed by the mod, even the upper range feels better and more natural (but that may be an illusion, even if a nice one ;-) ).

So: Thank you very much hiphopdontstop and every user of those pads should really do the mod, it isn't just "improving" it a bit, it makes the difference between (almost) unusable and (almost) perfect.

And as far as Akai is concerned: get some tape guys!!!

Cheers, thanks and happy padding ;-)

Thomas Helzle

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by hiphopdontstop » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:25 pm

hell yeah! ANOTHER success story!!!

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by brephophagist » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:30 pm

I tried this mod last night on an MPK49, and found it difficult to get consistent tape-square size (although I used electrical tape; I'll be trying it with pipe repair tape tonight hopefully).

How did you guys (hiphopdontstop or georgeblunt, your squares look very uniform) cut the tape squares to a uniform size? it looks like most everyone who's posted pics / vids didn't let any tape spill over the sides of the contact surface; maybe that's my problem.

Anyway, thanks, hiphopdontstop, for a great mod idea.

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by ThrowAway » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:26 pm

brephophagist wrote:I tried this mod last night on an MPK49, and found it difficult to get consistent tape-square size (although I used electrical tape; I'll be trying it with pipe repair tape tonight hopefully).

How did you guys (hiphopdontstop or georgeblunt, your squares look very uniform) cut the tape squares to a uniform size? it looks like most everyone who's posted pics / vids didn't let any tape spill over the sides of the contact surface; maybe that's my problem.

Anyway, thanks, hiphopdontstop, for a great mod idea.
Exacto knife or razor blade and patients.

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Re: Akai MPD and MPK pad mods - tips for better pad sensitivity

Post by H20nly » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:35 pm

patience works too. doesn't scream as much :wink:

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