Please Help:Headphones for Mixing and Mastering+Monitoring ?

[SubFunk]

120db is the same if headphones or speakers.

but i agree that headphones are more dangerous, it is unlikely to play 120db on a set at home, for several reasons.

but it is true that many headphones can produce those levels and because your room is not going to shake, your consciousness is not going to tell you that your neighbour will pop over in no time and foremost many headphones don't start to distort at those volumes (but many speakers do!) you want realise as much and quickly what kind of volumes you receiving. the HD 25 is for example, even hardly people want to accept that, a very dangerous pair of cans it can deliver such enormous brutal sound pressure levels without the slightest distortion and the feeling you don't bother anyone else... that you can turn slowly but surely deaf, the majority of DJs love this headphone and the majority is deaf or at least reduced over the ears massively the possibility to hear well, the main reason is, take it or leave it, the HD 25, especially when you use them one sided in a club, the PA blasts, the monitor blasts and you crank your phones one sided up so you can still loud and clear hear... result: sound pressure levels you don't realise consciously over hours that fuck your ear right up. (i know to many people and especially DJs, for whom it is to late to realise what i just said!)

main reason for deaf DJs is not the power of the PA or monitors, but the volume they run the cans with... without noticing it. especially with the HD 25, because it sounds so clean and undistorted at 120db and plus.

i got one too, but i know that and use them very conscious and use them low, but i also would happily trade them... i got them for free (would never buy them, because of that, otherwise they are great and very solid built cans)... but if someone offers me a pair of new-ish 7506s instead i trade right away!!!

[mr.ergonomics]

3phase: I don't think I'm misleading, I think it's very important to know why and when something is dangerous and not just saying "its dangerous". I don't like half-truth.

And the proof thing is related to this. I hear and read this so often like it's a well known fact - again, I don't say it's not true, I just say that I've done excessive research on this topic and didn't find one good reason for this "direct air pressure" theory. If someone here have a good reason I'm more then happy to hear it. It's not about winning a discussion for me.

rikhyray wrote:
"It is about the direct air pressure, that is why open cans are the "healthier" ones and the IEMs the most dangerous-"

[SubFunk]

main reasons are distortion (less or even free at high volumes with cans opposite to most speaker systems) and psychology, to feel the volume more when it is open and affects other people around you as well (that is something your mind and sub-consciousness tells you as a 'distraction'), opposite to feeling 'closed' and 'secure' with headphones, therefor you don't feel the volume as being so massive, opposite to speakers, where on top of the ear reception a physical phenomena takes place (that includes the room and room vibrations / reflections, etc.), a PA or larger speaker at 120db or a headphone at 120db, is going to make a big difference in your all over perceived experience, the speaker has a way greater physical effect, even for the ear it's the same... 120db is 120db, but you think / perceive 120db as louder on a PA then 120db is on a pair of cans, like i tried to explain already.

[3phase]

120db is the same if headphones or speakers.

but i agree that headphones are more dangerous, it is unlikely to play 120db on a set at home, for several reasons.

but it is true that many headphones can produce those levels and because your room is not going to shake, your consciousness is not going to tell you that your neighbour will pop over in no time and foremost many headphones don't start to distort at those volumes (but many speakers do!) you want realise as much and quickly what kind of volumes you receiving. the HD 25 is for example, even hardly people want to accept that, a very dangerous pair of cans it can deliver such enormous brutal sound pressure levels without the slightest distortion and the feeling you don't bother anyone else... that you can turn slowly but surely deaf, the majority of DJs love this headphone and the majority is deaf or at least reduced over the ears massively the possibility to hear well, the main reason is, take it or leave it, the HD 25, especially when you use them one sided in a club, the PA blasts, the monitor blasts and you crank your phones one sided up so you can still loud and clear hear... result: sound pressure levels you don't realise consciously over hours that fuck your ear right up. (i know to many people and especially DJs, for whom it is to late to realise what i just said!)

main reason for deaf DJs is not the power of the PA or monitors, but the volume they run the cans with... without noticing it. especially with the HD 25, because it sounds so clean and undistorted at 120db and plus.

i got one too, but i know that and use them very conscious and use them low, but i also would happily trade them... i got them for free (would never buy them, because of that, otherwise they are great and very solid built cans)... but if someone offers me a pair of new-ish 7506s instead i trade right away!!!

trade? are they in good condition?

i ve a beyer dt 990 and a senheiser 370.. booth very good open studio headphones..but o never use them.. while my beyer 770 closed ones are ot lowd enough for stage monitoring...

but you want other dj headphones i guess..

[SubFunk]

they are in top notch condition, but i only trade them for 7506s in similar condition, nothing else, i need a pair of cans that i can use for DJ-ing (comfort, solid built and still with enough 'punch') as much as for tracking and field recordings (again comfort and linear behaviour and noise cancellation), that is for my taste the 7506.

they are HD 25 - II with bag and two pair of ear foams, the standard and the plush ones.

i also have HD 280s which i use at home at times. (and i like them for tracking, etc. and they wear super comfy and are light, but built to weak for DJ / street use, the only drawback of those, well ok, they are only around 99,- euros)