Ableton Live 8.2

[davepermen]

exactly, bullshit reply as usual. you're ONE human. compared to ALL others, you ARE a minority. always. except you clone yourself into the thousands.

and no, the pros i know do not use it because they have no need for it. only you seem to have that one. one can perform great live music without need to sync to tons of stuff. and most do. pro or not.

the only unpro behaviour is you. complaining instead of finding your way. but we're used to that.


and, besides you (and subfunk), most don't even care who's pro, or not, or what that actually means. most aren't that elitish and egocentric. happily. because it doesn't matter AT ALL.

[3phase]

exactly, bullshit reply as usual. you're ONE human. compared to ALL others, you ARE a minority. always. except you clone yourself into the thousands.

and no, the pros i know do not use it because they have no need for it. only you seem to have that one. one can perform great live music without need to sync to tons of stuff. and most do. pro or not.

the only unpro behaviour is you. complaining instead of finding your way. but we're used to that.

tss.. yeah..that is what you suggetsed with the crashing all over the place L8..

if it would be after users like you we still would have the crashing L8.. and the 2000 bugs would still be there ..because the pr user finds its way around it..

of cause you find a way around it.. just dont use it..great trick..as i cant use my remote patches on my G2 now.. thats a lot of work in there..
And the only reason i cant use it is because Abelton is not respecting the midi standard?

how pro is that? sorry man.. they have to fix such shit and users like you dont really help to make them realize that they behave like a shit company in this regards.

esecially the ignoring of bugs by declaring them as intended behaviour is pretty lame

[davepermen]

i'm not suggesting your bug should NOT be fixed. never said that. read before.

i just say your bug is not a bug that affects many, unlike you suggest. crashes affected much more. i sure hope to see live's sync problems in your setup to be fixed. i do see, though, that a lot of other setups do not have sync problems, and, that most don't even use sync at all. crashes where a much more spread problem.

i still want to see it getting fixed. i want to see some new complain-topic from you, it's always fun (but seriously, i want you to be able to enjoy live just as much as we others do: having a setup that just works, we want you to be the next djsynchro posting in here IT JUST WORKS after another update.. since my first rant against you, i only want you to have your situation fixed. my question was always about your way of behaviour. not about your problems)

[Akshara]

Far be it from a "Live 8.2" thread to actually be about Live 8.2.

[davepermen]

not going to happen as long as 3phase is around. every update thread (and much other) derail into let's bash live (and ableton) because it doesn't work for him. not that they care anymore, afaik. pissing of people doesn't get them to support you, but he doesn't understand that..

[3phase]

not going to happen as long as 3phase is around. every update thread (and much other) derail into let's bash live (and ableton) because it doesn't work for him. not that they care anymore, afaik. pissing of people doesn't get them to support you, but he doesn't understand that..

suporting me? they would support themself by not doing dsign shit all over theplace and any year again and again and again..

some of my friends say i shouldnt be so hard to them..that ableton is a bit "trottelig" but nice in the end.. that they dont mean to cause harm...


however. i am sick of it that any attempt to include the program in my actual live concepts is flawed by another hidden bug or conceptional displacement.

This thread about L8.2 where serato bridge is introduced is exactly the place to ask why we can sync to timecode records now but not to an other ableton computer..

even when nobody would need that this would be conceptionally more than lame

[davepermen]

it sure is lame. as said, i hope it to be fixed. but, are your friends software developers? that built applications of that size? how do they know its a trivial problem? or are they just "stammtisch"-discussions without real knowledge?

on the other hand, you know someone with serato? can serato midi sync? maybe with bridge, you could sync? it would be ridiculous and sad at the same time, but, as usual. everything is worth a try. at least, for professionals, those that bring software and hardware to their limits to rock the show..

i think i need a signature stating "what ever i say against you, 3phase, i sure hope your bugs get fixed".. just to spare myself the typing of that all the time..

[Leon Tricker]

i am sick of it that any attempt to include the program in my actual live concepts is flawed by another hidden bug or conceptional displacement.

Why keep trying then? Why continue making yourself unhappy. You have the power to stop all the frustration. Vote with your wallet and put your money where your mouth is.

As I've said before, I've been in your position where I've been so unhappy with software that I gave up on it and started using something else. Did I get my time and money back from Steinberg, Cakewalk, Imageline, and Native Instruments? No. I got a bit of money back from the licences I was allowed to sell. Did I change anything about these companies and their software? No.

But I did get the feeling that I had taken control of the situation and I was able to move on and start being creative again rather than dealing with software issues.

You're just howling into the void here and derailing another thread... and yet again I'm contributing to that, so I'm going to take some responsibility for my actions and stop.

[[nis]]

the pros you know dont use it because it dont works propperly..

I did a live show together with a friend last weekend, running in stable sync for the whole time. The live act after us were running in stable MIDI clock sync, too. Slight fluctuations on the slave, yes, but hardly noticeable. I wouldn't say Live's sync is problem-free, but it is not impossible to sync two computers either. We used two Macbook Pros, synced over ethernet, running two APC40s and some other equipment.

Anyway, if that makes you happy 3phase, I'm currently spending a lot of time investigating the whole sync topic (once again) and I'm trying to push any improvements as good as possible (as far as priorities go). I cannot say what, how or when we can improve things, but we're on it. I hope this gives you some peace of mind.

n.

[Pasha]

Very welcomed addition. As a guitarist I already love Amb & Cab a lot.
Thank you Abes.

[3phase]

i am sick of it that any attempt to include the program in my actual live concepts is flawed by another hidden bug or conceptional displacement.

Why keep trying then? Why continue making yourself unhappy. You have the power to stop all the frustration. Vote with your wallet and put your money where your mouth is.

As I've said before, I've been in your position where I've been so unhappy with software that I gave up on it and started using something else. Did I get my time and money back from Steinberg, Cakewalk, Imageline, and Native Instruments? No. I got a bit of money back from the licences I was allowed to sell. Did I change anything about these companies and their software? No.

But I did get the feeling that I had taken control of the situation and I was able to move on and start being creative again rather than dealing with software issues.

You're just howling into the void here and derailing another thread... and yet again I'm contributing to that, so I'm going to take some responsibility for my actions and stop.

almost 10 years of materials? around 60 unreleased tracks.. gigabytes of libarys.. L8 cant read anymore :-/

and an involvement in any gig i did in this decade?

i surely should change.. but hardware only is the only option.. what i surly could do..

but..

i find less and less space for the live gig any year..

on nord modular g2 ..one ahaos pad and one small laptop is the max you get placed..as sson i like to take my 808 with me it gets dense.. and i actually like to run it with my pro one..

ok.. i might replace that with a mopho.. and i modded my 606 to sound more 808tish..

and i build a littel bread box with some mixer channels and canibalized LXP boards..

but.. the quick and dirty way is still to suffer from ableton live and hope that the might find a scrum master that kicks ass. or that the CEO eats some mexican mushrooms while trying to play with his own product..

something like that.. the hope dies last..


When there ever will be a competitor for ableton live we will see a landslide ..i am sure about that...

nobody i know is really excitet about ableton anymore..

The Apc.. the launchpad.. to big.. too bulky..lamo software integration

retard products dont really help the damaged reputation.

I really dont understand why ableton dont likes to appear as a brilliant company...
that solves the problems before musicans have them and not in many year long struggles with tons of user wishes and complains..

[davepermen]

I really dont understand why ableton dont likes to appear as a brilliant company...
that solves the problems before musicans have them and not in many year long struggles with tons of user wishes and complains..

because 'sometimes things get complicated'? means sometimes, one can not magically fix everything just because there's a need of fixing? else the world would not have people dying of hunger, diseases, we would not have wars anymore. everyone could be happy if we could simply "oh, problem? fix! done!".

and i see enough people excited about live. but it sure evolved into "being well known", so there's less underground feeling in using it as might have been (and resulted in more music-geek-excitement).

[chapelier fou]

i don't own suite, but i want amp for free.
i've said it. bye

[petit nuage]

@leon tricker :

dont you understand that if some of us are not so happy its because they LOVE live and are disappointed and maybe upset to buy a product that was known for its stability and one year after some precious thing like sync arent totally solved ...and if you talk about pros ..look at GLITCH MOB's point of view on this sync's issue. to release quickly a product ,that lot of people use on stage, that almost one year after still have this kind of issue its not very serious for me .


a thing is a bit upsetting too is that US ,people who have bought live 8 (i use live since live 2 m audio live lite edition /live 4) , as SOON as it have been released , dont have some offer like some people who have had free operator or nice offer like that because of live 8's reputation and to push them to buy or upgrade it ...but for us some racks and samples cool no ?

plus, ive spend lot of money since live 4 to live 8 same or more than a guy who have bought the suite so i think it will be customer friendly to give us for free an instrument or this amp plug than samples and instruments racks and things like that .

talking about this amp plug ...if i was at ableton headquarter i would give this plug for all users and for people who have bought the suite more instruments or orchestral's samples banks... things like that .
ableton please be more generous like native instruments with their free recent updates...


in my point of view : share dont work and i have no utility with the bridge(and i dont want to buy serato just to use it you know ?!!) and giving me effects racks with this new amp just to giving me the desire to buy it ...so for me its a bit normal to be upset no ?

and for me this amp would be more useful than the bridge .

and again i love live and ableton and this is JUST my modest point of view , but i think its more constructive to tell the things frankly than to applause to everything like some guys here .

[gncgry]

From the Release Notes: It was previously not possible to map a track group slot when the group track was unfolded, because the selection spreads over the whole local scene. Now the selection changes upon entering map mode, or when existing it, allowing to map the slot, and restoring the correct selection when done.

it'd be nice if the group fold/unfold button was middi mappable.