::Ableton New Product Speculation Thread::

mindlobster · Post by **mindlobster** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:20 pm

Robert Henke wrote:forge, of course i can:

i see a people .... lots of people.... the have plastic bags.... the move fast....it must be very loud.... Ah, the picture gets clearer now: it is a trade...show.... could be in the USA... Now i see it: It looks like the convention center in Annaheim.... people look at screens.... but i cannot see what they see.... it`s kind of .... it is.... well,.... it gets so blurry now.... It could be a.... no, it must be different.....
Hmmm, it is very blurry...... i have no idea, but i see faces of people and they look like they are having fun....

oh, my phone is ringing now, sorry, i tell you later.....

Robert

Now I know you're just making that up - people having FUN at a trade show - no way!

16 BIT · Post by **16 BIT** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:48 pm

I would like to see some more Ableton Synths in the future. But for now I would prefer Live itself to be enhanced before going down the new product path. Then again this is a new product so Its bound to be an add on.

If its just another FM synth, thats going to be a little dissapointing.

3phase · Post by **3phase** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:50 pm

Maybe some network jammin tool?

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:58 pm

louZ wrote:I would rather have Ableton getting rid of big bugs, like drifting tempo when syncing or the high CPU usage. Or have them adding essential features that they left out before, like groove quantize.

I don't need of another bunch of softsynths.

!!!

-Paws

drez · Post by **drez** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:56 pm

To me its an FM synth. It follows the same naming convention:

Simpler
Impulse
Operator

It just 'looks' right

sickpuppy · Post by **sickpuppy** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:11 pm

Operator sounds 'hands-on' to me!

Although it's obviously not an iterface as it's already in the prog

steve-o · Post by **steve-o** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:41 pm

kabuki wrote:HMMMM...

I betcha it is a web based browzer for loops and samples that can me accessed thru the file browzer and can be used anywhere you have web access - like a huge, online, pay-as-you-play file sample library. iTunes music store for Live... The "products" tab will be a filter and resolution tab for downloading the samples and loops...

HMMMMMM....

Betcha

I sem to remember back in the day of Live 1.5 ableton advertising for some online sample library. Maybe he's not too far off...

steve-o · Post by **steve-o** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:49 pm

forge wrote:
jtenney wrote:Angstrom, you're my man. You have mentioned the 3 big things I too would like to see implemented. Oh, one more (a small thing but could be helpful): a choice of font size in clip/scene/track labels, to fit in a few more characters for more specific labeling, either that or a way to scroll right.

But anyway, it's wild to see all this speculating and wishing going on after just having seen it happen with Reason 3.0!

best to all,
John
one things for sure - I'm about a thousand times more interested in this one than I was with Reason 3! R3 had alot of catching up to do and then it ran in the complete opposite direction

Disagree completely. If the sound quality has improved as much as I heard it is, Reason 3 becomes a contender again.

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:50 pm

perhaps its a firewire or usb2 based hardware controller and vsti host and sudio interface.
a bit like apowercore firwire device but fro vsti's but with controller interface and audio in and out

john gordon · Post by **john gordon** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:28 pm

steve-o wrote:
forge wrote:
jtenney wrote:Angstrom, you're my man. You have mentioned the 3 big things I too would like to see implemented. Oh, one more (a small thing but could be helpful): a choice of font size in clip/scene/track labels, to fit in a few more characters for more specific labeling, either that or a way to scroll right.

But anyway, it's wild to see all this speculating and wishing going on after just having seen it happen with Reason 3.0!

best to all,
John
one things for sure - I'm about a thousand times more interested in this one than I was with Reason 3! R3 had alot of catching up to do and then it ran in the complete opposite direction
Disagree completely. If the sound quality has improved as much as I heard it is, Reason 3 becomes a contender again.

i think reason will be a thing of the past within a year

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:58 pm

Reason has too many users to die in just a year.

Not all of them pay, naturally, but still. It's got a rather fanatical fan base (you should have seen the response I got when I went to their forum and said that Recycle dropping hardware support was a big mistake. The amount of snobbery(!) was just incredible...)

-Paws

drez · Post by **drez** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:50 am

I will ALWAYS use Reason. The Combinator is a crusher! Sound quality is improved, the MIDI controller functions are waaaay better than before. I think they have it right where they want it and now they can add some more synth modules and whatnot.

Reason 3 is a great update.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:00 am

noisetonepause wrote:Reason has too many users to die in just a year.

Not all of them pay, naturally, but still. It's got a rather fanatical fan base (you should have seen the response I got when I went to their forum and said that Recycle dropping hardware support was a big mistake. The amount of snobbery(!) was just incredible...)

-Paws

without wanting to sound like an arse, you have to take into consideration Reason's target audience - mostly entry level - as they have proven by creating mastering plug-ins without the abilty to use them on anything outside reason bar playing it from a sampler which is just silly. I'm sure you can make great instrumental music with it but it's insane creating good mastering plug-ins that you can only use on the backing and not the total mix including vocals and other real instruments. You want to master the whole track - music is about integration of sounds to create a whole, so if reason cant provide the complete picture for you, why bother mastering it.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:09 am

noisetonepause wrote:Reason has too many users to die in just a year.

Not all of them pay, naturally, but still. It's got a rather fanatical fan base (you should have seen the response I got when I went to their forum and said that Recycle dropping hardware support was a big mistake. The amount of snobbery(!) was just incredible...)

-Paws

I say about it's target audience because it explains why you get that shit on the forum - I had one or two rows there before I realised I was trying to make my point to hormonal adolescents who will loyally fight to the hilt to defend their territory at any cost. The Propellerheads forum is a complete waste of time.

steve-o · Post by **steve-o** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:08 am

forge wrote:
noisetonepause wrote:Reason has too many users to die in just a year.

Not all of them pay, naturally, but still. It's got a rather fanatical fan base (you should have seen the response I got when I went to their forum and said that Recycle dropping hardware support was a big mistake. The amount of snobbery(!) was just incredible...)

-Paws
without wanting to sound like an arse, you have to take into consideration Reason's target audience - mostly entry level - as they have proven by creating mastering plug-ins without the abilty to use them on anything outside reason bar playing it from a sampler which is just silly. I'm sure you can make great instrumental music with it but it's insane creating good mastering plug-ins that you can only use on the backing and not the total mix including vocals and other real instruments. You want to master the whole track - music is about integration of sounds to create a whole, so if reason cant provide the complete picture for you, why bother mastering it.

Yeah, I see your point about the limited use for the mastering plug-ins.

BUt if you liken Reason to a Triton or Fantom, then it's limitations become less remarkable. In my experience, especially on Roland, "mastering" type effects like compression, limiting, and eqing play a subtantial role in making those boards sound big, large, and full. Improving the sound engine and including mastering plug-ins narrows the gap considerably between Reason and hardware workstations.

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