Prime Loops are amazings

[macmurphy]

the new Wagon Christ album is lush.

lots of creative sampling going on there

[3phase]

? good and evil?

ok.. evil is too much said for all the fake pseudos around here,

and chabuko considers himself is a pro hat qualifies for the use of premade loops by the little time the serious pro has because the money has to be made fast? i know that attitude from some girls that hang around at the next corner.

the pros i know that are into sample libarys are more into the vienna collection than into cheesy techno and rock loops for low low prces... safes much time and money instead working with a real orchestra..but you have to write the score yourself..
i guess thats not so much your thing..because you are too pro to have time for that...

[q.musgrove]

The better your art and ability is, the less you have to worry about shit like this. You know what's easier and far more contemtable than using loop packs? "artists" going around claiming other people are the reason no one gives a shit about what they are doing. Learn2stfu&create.

[The Leveller]

Whats the difference between that every kid buying a guitar thinking they are going to be a rockstar? Okay you can sound good quickly,

You've answered it right there. Any kid can buy a guitar but only those who can really play get the recognition they deserve. the rest? Well, somewhere along the line someone tells them the truth, you suck, you'll always suck, so keep it as a hobby and have fun.

But not with electronic music, oh no, it's great! One day buy a computer, the next day pop it up on an album on your own 'label' on Beatport and call yourself a pro.

There has to be some semblance of skill involved and musicianship, not loop based dross.

Someone mentioned one of those r&b clowns earlier with his garageband backing? More fool them. Who the fuck listens to that shit anyway? Kids. Bling kids in a ringtone world of bland shit. They listen to music on their iphone speakers, an iPhone clad in fake diamonds.

Its not what the industry is going through, its what society is going through thats scary.

The thousands and thousands of tracks being 'released' every day dilute the quality. Fortunately the cream always rises to the top but why, oh why, are we forced to swim through the rancid milk to find it?

People have lost all sense of self-critique. Your music is shit, get over it, move on, stop deluding yourself or keep it hobby and enjoy yourself, whatever, just stop living the lie and forcing it down everyones throats.

Here's my new bling pop, acid electro post dubstep r&b masterpiece yo made wiv da Prime Loops.

fuck off.

[rsaulo]

The problem is that the tools to make music have become accessible to everyone and affordable to everyone who owns a computer.

How often do we see noob posts for those that have just purchased live to make music. Without any thought for their own musical ability they imagine they can suddenly become a musician.

They are wrong and 3 phases point, while he tends to be a bit too literal with the imagery, is that the end result is nonsense, not music but some generci production crap that slides out of peoples computers onto a generic poop chute distribution system such as beatport and gets eaten up by DJs who are pumping it out to an audience that don't give a damn.

It's a whole industry that has popped up from the availability of the tools. Computer Music and Future Music magazine thrive on the advertising set up by the companies who want the money from the wannabes. By this software, buy this plug-in, buy this sample/loop pack, buy these monitors, buy my mastering service, buy my training, I'll teach you everything you needs to knnow, do our course, buy this interface, buy this midi controller.

All leading to one falsehood: That by purchasing these things you will live your dream and become a great musician. You music will get signed by the labels and you'll be a massive star.

People are so desperate to do this they set up their own pretend record labels to get on to Beatport just to eb able to say on forums that their music is availabel on Beatport, they don't even care that no one buys it.

Now, this differs greatly from the honest hobbyist, buy whatever, have fun, but not labouiring under an illusion of industry promises that will never materialise.

It's horrible, it's real, most of the electronic music producers on the planet are part of it and loop packs are at the bottom of the pile.

The one thing that illustrates the futility of it all. Buy this ready made music and you can sound great quickly, at least in your own bedroom.

To me, their adverts scream one thing really loudly:

'You'll never be a musician, so here is your dream in a box'

It's consumerism and material greed at its worst. The epitomy of the bling society, the lazy, bloated, I want it now ringtone society in which we sadly live.

yes, you are right, as 3phase is, but it´s as you say, the REAL world!!! It´s the same with all things, not only music, every day you see kids playing soccer, dreaming with the "ultimate" shoes, thinking to be an soccer star!!! You know that he has a minimal chance, but how do you know???

When I started with Live version 6, I started using it for DJing, and "serious" and "pro" people say to me that Live DJing was cheating, that what I need was the "real feel" of vinyl, bullshit, I never had used vinyl to DJ and never had the need to use it!!!, so after this I begin to "DJ" with full tracks AND pre made loops that was really cool in Live, after this, I begin to "produce" my own loops and not need to buy any of them anymore, now I basically produce some tracks with my own produced loops and when I come to DJ I use my tracks or another tracks with some loops own made. All this to say that people can begin with loop packs, but it´s not 100% true that you cannot change your mind and do things that you never had think before, maybe pre made loops can be an "quick start" to many things.

Just my 0.02 cents.

[oddstep]

It's a whole industry that has popped up from the availability of the tools. Computer Music and Future Music magazine thrive on the advertising set up by the companies who want the money from the wannabes. By this software, buy this plug-in, buy this sample/loop pack, buy these monitors, buy my mastering service, buy my training, I'll teach you everything you needs to knnow, do our course, buy this interface, buy this midi controller.

All leading to one falsehood: That by purchasing these things you will live your dream and become a great musician. You music will get signed by the labels and you'll be a massive star.

totally on point.
act like a musician, play live in venues, compete with people to make the greatest sounds, collaborate with other artists. make life special. the real world is what we make it.
yeah fair enough loop packs are a starting point - like djing I suppose. I've always thought finding and making loops was part of the fun. peace.

[3phase]

maybe pre made loops can be an "quick start" to many things.

Just my 0.02 cents.

sure..they can..that the concept of the magix msuic maker..but introduced was it as a music game for the sony playstation 1

and its not that i havent used that thing to make a track..rather as a joke..but with some creativity you surely can make something out of the loops.. when nothing else is available after the plain crash i still would prefer the playstation thing..especially for the video loops you can arrange with the tracks..
you know it was fun to make kind of deep house with the cheasy playstation loops.. what was really possible with tuning them down and playing in reverse.. even the sequencer in a tracker style was quite cool

really nice toy...

It´s just a slightly different thing when prime loops does the refills for the "adult" world with instant deep house or dubstep loops for people that are supposed to do deep house or dubstep releases with that.
With the result that all the releases in theese genres sound one like the other and after a while nobody touches such stuff anymore and you have to change your sound and style just because it got overused so quickly by all the fakes?
no guys..thats not good. Electronic dance styles are all about the sound and groove design..thats the virtuosity in this kind of music. You cant just fake that without makeing all bad cliches about elecronic music, like being mindless and generic, come true.

And thats not the way to go

If you use such loops as i used the sony playstation to make something out of the loops that is totally fresh in relation to the loop content..ok.. i will like that.. for one or 2 tracks... but than go along and find some other interesting sounds to abuse..

And in no way the whole sampling loop biz should be promoted and sold as a production standard..

its not.. its a playstation version of beeing a producer

[macmurphy]

The Leveller + 3phase = sense

not feeling wordy wordy

[jtdj]

this is very hard to do...but... i agree with 3phase!

[mickmike]

what a lot of snobbery. Use as many loops as you like. They're like ingredients to a meal. Some people put them together, and it tastes like shit, others can make them into a 5* feast. You don't have to farm the land from scratch, when you have a supermarket ( deep ). Do what you like, it's the end product that counts. ( might need a bit of seasoning ).

[rsaulo]

And in no way the whole sampling loop biz should be promoted and sold as a production standard..

I can agree with that, but again, it´s my and your opinion, you cannot stop the market, as more people buy these packs, more companies will make more and more... it´s the REAL world.

At some point as you pointed, listeners will realize that many tracks sound the same, and these "loop producers" will disappear (I think).

Just let it go, making your own stuff you are away from be compared to the overall biz, and this will be your diferential.

Maybe you´ll be "sampled" too....

peace...

[ramangill]

What about someone who uses these "loops", slices and chops them and re-creates something for his track...still a fake?

[mickmike]

Everytime 3phrase posts I get a picture in my head of that scene in American Psycho where dude is flexing in the mirror while nailing some chick.

Im not sure why or how that is relevant but figured it was an important addition to the thread.

As far as loops go, I dont see why anyone gives a fuck. The end result is all that matters....and most people overly dependent on loops will not be able to come up with anything that great anyways. If they do, good for them. Arguing about what art is or isnt is laughable, your time would be better spent repeatedly slamming your head into a wall.

That was hilarious

[3phase]

What about someone who uses these "loops", slices and chops them and re-creates something for his track...still a fake?

thats what everybody does.. depends on how often you do that.. one time is not cheating its an experiment.. ... trying to build a carrer on that smells like cheating..
And when you depend on such libarys to get "your" sound you might consider that there is nothing like "your" sound, and that you are in the wrong business..

as said before..the sound and groove design is the virtuosity of electronic music.. without that it dont has much value and shouldnt be released..there is too much redundant electronic tracks out there allready.

I would say with comercial loops a track must be really outstanding to be ok..
And when its outstanding and fresh it cant be a cheat than.. maybe a bit we have heard that sound before ..but when it really is doing something new.. great.. no problem with that
But that is 1 in 1000.

[3phase]

what a lot of snobbery. Use as many loops as you like. They're like ingredients to a meal. Some people put them together, and it tastes like shit, others can make them into a 5* feast. You don't have to farm the land from scratch, when you have a supermarket ( deep ). Do what you like, it's the end product that counts. ( might need a bit of seasoning ).

thats what the bush sticker is for