To Maschine Or Not To Maschine

[23kon]

I'm at work and can't see the video...but if its the one that I'm thinking of, I heard using it in channels in ableton had a distinct problem where people's patterns had a ton of latency and made the drumming or sound input hard to do. Not sure though...just something I remember seeing in an earlier issue circa 1.5 update.

The video is from June 2 2011 so relatively new.

Anyone else shed some light on this?
This is a way i'd like to use Maschine if I end up buying it.

I'm going to dig around on YouTube for more videos. If anyone else has any good ones then please post.

[djadonis206]

Search YouTube for Maschine and Matt Cellitti or DubSpot. Matt's videos are good. So are St. joes

The tutorials on MacProVideo are good as well.

[23kon]

Search YouTube for Maschine and Matt Cellitti or DubSpot. Matt's videos are good. So are St. joes

The tutorials on MacProVideo are good as well.

Cheers, shall search for them.
The above one is a dubspot one. They always do great vids.

[humnumb]

the thing about maschine that makes me mad as an owner of both is that everything that I do in maschine could easily be done in Live, only with a slightly major update (record clip automation) and the controller working tighter w/ live's interface. i'd just like to cut out the middle man with maschine's software.

Agreed, I hope Live 9 comes correct.

If Ableton knows what's good for them, Live 9 will get a Maschine clone and an iPad app. Oh, and recording clip modulation.

[dj_blueprint]

the thing about maschine that makes me mad as an owner of both is that everything that I do in maschine could easily be done in Live, only with a slightly major update (record clip automation) and the controller working tighter w/ live's interface. i'd just like to cut out the middle man with maschine's software.

Agreed, I hope Live 9 comes correct.

If Ableton knows what's good for them, Live 9 will get a Maschine clone and an iPad app. Oh, and recording clip modulation.

I don't think that Ableton will do it by themselves but they'll get Akai to make it. It'll be extremely similar to Maschine... probably a bit more plastic but it'll definitely have an awesome lcd screen.

[starving student]

so it seems the main gripe about maschine is that it's steppin on abletons toes?
c'mon it's just a drumsampler + more, but honestly you don't hear people talking about synths or other plugs
that they use in live getting in the way of operator or any other instrument in live, imho maschine is like any
other instrument you plug into live and play with the bonus of being able to play it on it's own if you want.

I remember when Live started getting hated on, those were good times and I guess it's a good sign that ni is doing something right, but please trust me when I say there is no confusion between Live and maschine, it's just an mpc-esk drumsampler that can also load vsts and that unlike the mpc syncs better with live since you can run it inside live. If you really want an evil software to go after go after Reason, you know they won't allow vsts so they must be the illuminati .

[pencilrocket]

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[delicioso]

Here's a good video I stumbled across.
It shows how you can integrate Maschine into Ableton.

For me, this video has shown me SO much more than any of the marketing pish videos from NI and makes Maschine make a lot more sense to me now and how I can use it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WcbjOm1uhY

Yeah that's the best Live+Maschine video I've seen. Notice how he was controlling everything with just the controller and how the Maschine plugin window was never even on the computer screen the entire time. It really makes it clear how using Maschine feels like using an actual self-contained hardware.

[23kon]

Notice how he was controlling everything with just the controller and how the Maschine plugin window was never even on the computer screen the entire time. It really makes it clear how using Maschine feels like using an actual self-contained hardware.

That's one of the things i liked about this video too.
It's got me tempted to get maschine just really for drums/samples in Ableton.

Does anyone have Mikro yet? Does it come with Ableton Live template too?
One bad thing is that it doesnt come with the mute buttons/knobs. But I'd have an iPad running TouchAble for that anyway. That's whats interesting me in the Mikro

[skatr2]

So finally got to look at the video. Have seen it before. Its a good video for anyone who has maschine...no other controller..and uses ableton...and wants APC functionality. But in the video, everything he's recording toward the end is not recording directly into live. It is recording into the maschine software running in the background. He still will have to swap back to the software....drag and drop the additions into live once he's done.

I guess what I would like to see before I consider the thing is the ability to load maschine into track one of ableton...load a VSTi into track 1....hit the steq sequence button on the track and see the sequencer run through the ableton step sequencer. Adding notes as you would normally as running Maschine in standalone Step Seq mode.

[djadonis206]

Someone asked for more video where the DJs weren't getting paid.

Here's Bass Kleph blowing up the Maschine. Bass Kleph is a popular electro house and tech house producer. I doubt no ones paying him for this

http://youtu.be/qpn5ROffDeg

http://youtu.be/xhDaCmmMsPM

Here's his website

http://www.basskleph.com/fr_home.cfm

and here's the thread he started on NI Maschine forum. Dude's sick!

http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... p?t=149103

[23kon]

Great video links and good tunes from that guy.

I will say though, his stuff is still very "loop based" and he's not tweaking a lot of parameters of plugins (synths/303s/cutoffs/res etc) as he is playing. I'm still of the opinion that Maschine doesn't have enough knobs.

Lol @ "non believers"

I'm not a non-believer, I can see how Maschine can benefit some people. It might not, however be everyone's cup of tea though. All i've been trying to do is understand what Maschine does and how it can benefit the way I work and how I can work it into the way I work - particularly with playing live-gigs and integrating into finished and partially finished work I have for taking forward.

I started a thread a while back posing the "Maschine Vs MPD 32 Vs MPC" question.
The conclusion I came to ended up with me buying a MPD32 from eBay.

I've still not played with it that much as work has kept me very busy.
I even took two weeks off with the idea of getting my head into tunes but ended up getting pulled and distracted by other things to be able to dedicate solid time to it.

I'm going to take another week off soon and REALLY get my head into the music and work out what I need for going forward.

Or I might just think "f*ck it" and buy a Maschine.
Worst comes to the worst and I just flog it on eBay.

[Breaks Dude]

THANK YOU.

This is exactly what I wanted to know. I spend a lot of time with vocals, tweaking synths, automating FX, doing weird complextro (I guess that's what people call it these days) type stuff where things fire for 2 beats or so and disappear for a while. Typically there are so many tracks by the time I'm done, if it wasn't laid out in a linear fashion where I could see where everything is, I would be completely lost.

That Bass Kleph video is basically just him looping generic sounding stuff and tapping some percussion...fine if that's what you do. If you can arrange full vocals with harmonies, bridges, choruses, prechoruses, and trigger things like The Finger and Stutter Edit etc. on Maschine without touching a keyboard or a mouse, now that would be really cool. Seems like it would just be easier to do it in the DAW. I use my APC40 to DJ live and also as a "sketchpad" for ideas. But I think for me, Maschine would just be redundant. And yes, I am a NI fanboi too. These guys have made thousands off of me during the past 10 years. Maschine does look like a fun toy, though.

I do have some money burning a hole in my pocket and right now it's between Maschine or a set of TD4K V Drums. As a drummer for most of my life, I've always found tapping on little rubber pads or piano keys to be a real pain in the ass. Some guys are really damn good at "finger drumming" but I am not one of them even though I've been doing it that way for 14 years now. To me it's like trying to play the piano with my tongue. LOL.

Dif'rent strokes for dif'rent folks I guess.

To be honest if your tracks involve

- recording and mixing vocals synths etc audio material
- using a moderate amount of different kinds of automation
- grouping tracks creatively
- going back and forth between different song structures
- using a bunch of send and return effects

then maschine is definitely not the solution your looking for unless your shopping for headaches.

If you want a good looking midi controller with a bunch of sounds and an mpc esque standalone workflow then get it.

Maschine wouldnt be such a failure if it werent for NI's hyped marketing ("enhanced workflow" / "perfect integration"). I mean it is a tool just like any other audio software but where things got messy was when NI came guns blazing misleading many to think that this could actually enhance the production workflow or replace some aspects of a DAW. Rest assured its not the case. Its an instrument and if you can make interesting sounds or sketch ideas with it - then bang on youre right on the money. But dont expect it to make your actual mixing or production work otherwise easier.

Good luck trying to state that in the NI forum

[humnumb]

Don't listen to 501Dubz' hateful lies. Maschine's workflow is definitely not hype. It's no joke. It didn't become a record-breaking success for nothing.

Whoever thinks Maschine should be compared to traditional DAWs with a linear timeline is an idiot anyway. Using Maschine is not exclusive to using a DAW. In fact, many people use it with a DAW either as standalone or as a plugin, or export/drag&drop to a DAW. The difference is that Maschine feels like using a self-contained hardware like the MPCs (with an even faster workflow) in actual use but has the seamless integration in a software environment. Seriously, there's no hardware or software with a faster workflow.

[starving student]

if people don't like maschine thats cool, but I think people looking at a drum sampler as a linear fashion tool might want to rethink that notion as a rule of thumb.