Ableton Forum

Tone Deft wrote: end of the day it's more about the artist than the gear. everyone should own a *nice* piece of hardware at some point in their lives. you end up bonding with the damn thing in weird ways.

I definitely agree, on both points. As for the latter, for me it was a kurzweil k2000 (sadly it passed away last year).

-M

beats me wrote:I’m listening to Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon. I think there is some Moog in there.

thats actually a synthi, and those are outrageously priced these days.
On another note, I am really interested in Ray Kirzweil's immortality pursuits.

JuanSOLO wrote:

beats me wrote:I’m listening to Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon. I think there is some Moog in there.

thats actually a synthi, and those are outrageously priced these days.
On another note, I am really interested in Ray Kirzweil's immortality pursuits.

Schooled.

It’s kind of funny to think of how spoiled we are now with near countless options on the cheap and back then it was all about experimenting with a handful of expensive tanks.

Dave Gilmour on the synthi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rU_ei_x0Ag

Tone Deft wrote:

Sage wrote:Get onto some guitar forums. People on those wouldn't go near anything unless it was made from valves.

and what do you play through?

aside from the loud as fuck Hi-Watt amps, solid state doesn't rate except for bass guitar.

Theres the Roland Jazz Chorus and distortion pedals up until recently would have all been solid state. Some of the best cleans I've heard haven't come from using valve amps, but solid state microphone preamps and even distorting them gets those classic 60s fuzz tones instantly.

Hi-Watt make valve amps. I use a 70s Marshall JCM if you're interested.

pre-ordered...

Sage wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:

Sage wrote:Get onto some guitar forums. People on those wouldn't go near anything unless it was made from valves.

and what do you play through?

aside from the loud as fuck Hi-Watt amps, solid state doesn't rate except for bass guitar.

Theres the Roland Jazz Chorus and distortion pedals up until recently would have all been solid state. Some of the best cleans I've heard haven't come from using valve amps, but solid state microphone preamps and even distorting them gets those classic 60s fuzz tones instantly.

Hi-Watt make valve amps. I use a 70s Marshall JCM if you're interested.

fair enough. I respect that you have a well formed opinion. my experiences vary.

3dot... wrote:pre-ordered...

Hey buddy, in this thread you have to defend that decision at great length in text or posting of youtube videos. I swear, the balls on some people.

mholloway wrote: -- the 'hands on' bit -- is covered suitably well by Controller technology and therefore rendered a bit moot

It's not the same experience, though at times it can get close. Take it from one has played both, & has gone through A LOT of controllers seeking a decent user interface.

At one time I was simultaneously using 3 Doepfer Drehbanks each with 64 knobs + 2 Doepfer Pocket Dials each with 16 encoders times 4 banks + Faderfox LX1 with 64 buttons times 2 banks + Faderfox LD2! Now that's a lot of control, but it didn't equal the elegance & functionality of one-knob-to-one-parameter analog goodness.

Plus sometimes you just have to get away from the damn computers.

Bottom line: hardware synths are nice. Software synths are nice. Each have their place, strengths, & weaknesses.

These arguments are like saying roses are better than violets!

I think slapping “low cost” in the title of this thread is what set the debate afoot.

Relative to the rest of the market, I'd feel comfortable saying that the $600 price-tag on the new MS-20 Mini qualifies as "low cost." Fwiw.

mholloway wrote:Relative to the rest of the market, I'd feel comfortable saying that the $600 price-tag on the new MS-20 Mini qualifies as "low cost." Fwiw.

I’m willing to paint in broad strokes here and say any piece of music gear that costs $1,000+ can’t be considered low cost. Whatever it is there is probably a mountain of cheaper options, quality aside.

I've always liked the Little Phatty, but I like the Sub Phatty even more. What do you guys think about the new Dave Smith Instruments Prophet 12?

kb420 wrote:What do you guys think about the new Dave Smith Instruments Prophet 12?

I think it's expensive.

Too Many buttons