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krulecello wrote: And some of the biggest and easiest changes to make now (for the majority of the population) are to not travel via plane or car.

shadx312 wrote:1. If this badly comrpessed PDF holds any merit, it says that the amount of methane humans produce isn't anything to worry about.

2. I don't see how going vegan would help the process, but just the opposite. If more people were vegan, less cows would be killed, thus more methane being produced.

Funk N. Furter wrote: We need to get rid of cars by the way, not make them greener.

Funk N. Furter wrote: There's only been one attempt at socialism, in Russia,

shadx312 wrote:

He's a scientist, not an entertainer, so you will be required to think. The facts/stats in speak for themselves, if you understand them.

You don't need to think to get stats, that's not the point. Who was he talking to? Did he have an audience or was this just to be put online? Who is it aimed for?
The 20 of the 80:20? The 5%? The 1%? Is it really just a detailed reminder that we need to be more conscious of our footprint? Just saying, in the end, how much of a productive effect did/does that make?

Well, they put graphic images on cigarette packs in this country, why not do the same for cars (for the sake of equality)?

Well I don't know if that works where you are but here that doesn't mean shit. And, btw, people know full well they are driving death projectiles that poison the air, plenty of people will drive them drunk or while looking at their phone, knowing full well how close death is looming, yet they still do it.

I'd love to think people would do something right for the sake that it's right, but it's been at least 3 decades knowing that we should be greener and how much we're fucking the ozone layer and it hasn't done a damn thing. So if you want to focus on the majority of changing a spec of their lifestyle to minimize their footprint, you need to make it fashionable, or guilt-causing, or economically rewarding, really anything except that it's just the right thing to do. And if you want that top 20% to do it, well, doesn't a large percentage of that show just how much they don't care?

I don't want to come off as defeatist or dismissive about it, I'm all for the fight of taking poison out of the air but I think if someone really wants to get things moving they're going to have to do more than just present some evidence and a couple of suggestions, cause THAT AIN'T WORKING.

Now if you know about a really goo effective organization that has a really good effective plan on making an actual positive tangible physical difference, and if they are transparent about the funds and donations they receive from people (something like Amnesty International?), maybe proceeds from a compilation album seem more like an effective start? Because I'm more into the idea that something like a collective should be started; one full of influential people, at least ones that don't have ties to any religion (including Scientology) that will can advertise on tv and you tube and cause the youth of the world to change their ways to minimize the footprint in their lifestyle and do things like donate or participate in things that will fuel an industry founded on minimal carbon footprint and geo-thermal energy. Like a huge PR campaign for the new natural resource of wind/water/solar machinery/factories,etc, run by people who give a fuck about life.

But it's not that simple when you have the oil industry embedded into the system and don't assume that once the old evil fucks die out everything will be hunky dory.
Rest assured they've got plans and bloodlines to keep their thing going regardless of what the natural resource is. A proactive extermination needs to happen to get that evil out of there, other wise it'll just be an endless battle of trying to keep the most of the last of whatever milkshake you have left.

Forge. wrote:

krulecello wrote: And some of the biggest and easiest changes to make now (for the majority of the population) are to not travel via plane or car.

So, I'm not really clear on how this works. If you're in central victoria then either you must live within walking/cycling distance to town, otherwise you'd find it bloody difficult to cover all that distance, especially if you're lugging a cello around.

Do you never do gigs anywhere else? no other cities?

How do you suppose a musician should get around with all their gear?

I would have thought a better scenario for all involved would be just to change the way our vehicles are powered. Alternatives are slowly starting to appear, but when the whole world's economy is completely tied up in oil then that's a major hurdle we need to overcome, and I'm not sure exactly how we'll ever achieve that without some kind of legislation.

Likewise, coal.

And Machinesworking is right about animal products. I keep trying to go vego again, I already have little dairy, but I have to admit I find it difficult to keep it up. But if we did all go at least vego it could make a big difference. It will be interesting to see how the lab grown meat pans out. When there's 10 billion people in the planet it might become compulsory.

Funk N. Furter wrote:

andydes wrote:
Of course, governments need to step up and start actually doing something as well. Because consumer choices alone aren't going to cut it, now matter how hard we try.

But the governments won't do anything, and when they do something it will be worse than useless, eg carbon trading.

stringtapper wrote:

Funk N. Furter wrote:It's the end of the world for millions of people who will die of hunger.

We have to start somewhere. I'd prefer it happen all at once with as little suffering as possible, but these damn humans seem to have different plans…

Funk N. Furter wrote:We need to get rid of cars by the way, not make them greener.

krulecello wrote: Yes, Machinesworking, being aware of the efficiency of food production is important, I tend to focus on cars and plane travel, because for the most part it's optional and unnecessary. I do think meat eating in moderation is sensible for some people, for a variety of reasons.