bidule vs. max/msp vs. reaktor vs ?

conny · Post by **conny** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:23 pm

computo wrote: What it comes down to, is that max can serve these all these functions. Pluggo is how you create vsts with max. soundflower is another solution... basically, Cycling has thought about all of this stuff... PLuggo is there, so the final product will be stable, and for midi and all the other possibilities, just run max.

Seems a bit many bucks and complicated.
Bidule is 70$ and straight with VST.
Don't intend to say it can do what MAX can do but you got math and midi and VST hosting and flexible routing etc.

// C

conny · Post by **conny** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:36 pm

Installed the MAX demo. Reboot. Does not show as rewire device in Live.
What?

// C

computo · Post by **computo** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:41 pm

Im not going to hold your hand through the process.

Read the tutorial.

You arent going to find max similar to any other program. It doesnt necessarily do things the way you expect...

Join the email list, that will provide specific answers to questions that I cant figure out.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:49 pm

conny wrote:Seems a bit many bucks and complicated.
Bidule is 70$ and straight with VST.
Don't intend to say it can do what MAX can do but you got math and midi and VST hosting and flexible routing etc.

Bidule may very well do what you need. BUT, some people want more

conny · Post by **conny** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:55 pm

Machinate wrote:BUT, some people want more

Yea, but what.
Seems like a secret society round the holy grail.

// C

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:25 pm

Why secret? Computo posted a video earlier today!

For instance computo has an elaborate midi setup, which might not be possible in Bidule, Jitter (which will never be possible in Bidule), and probably a gazillion other things.

I have some modded stuff for looping in Reaktor, which can't be done in regular software. It's ugly, but it's no secret at all!

Point is: It's weird, it's big, it does stuff we need.

computo · Post by **computo** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:38 pm

conny wrote: Seems like a secret society round the holy grail.

It is...we're called the New Max Order.

but, seriously, you'll be shocked at how open max users are...

There is one guy on the emaillist who makes weekly posts, with Jitter examples.

They are really good too. There's no secret, other than that max is the BOMB!

conny · Post by **conny** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:50 pm

computo wrote: There's no secret, other than that max is the BOMB!

Yeah, sure.
But I'll tried some tutorials and don't get how to rewire or interconnect MAX and Live.

Anyway, think I'll leave it here for the time being.
Thanks guys.

// C

computo · Post by **computo** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:22 am

Its like you interconnect anything...

You open live first, and then open Max.

Live is the master, max is the slave...

max can go either, way, but most other programs cannot.

Use soundflower if you're having trouble.

Its really not difficult.

henry ford · Post by **henry ford** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:01 am

bidule is a great way to enhance your ableton live experience.

conny · Post by **conny** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:09 am

computo wrote:Its like you interconnect anything...
You open live first, and then open Max.
Live is the master, max is the slave...

Can't find it as a slave in Live...
Maybe it's rewire engine is not shipped in demo?

// C

henry ford · Post by **henry ford** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:29 am

conny , i'm no expert but i know that you get the fully featured maxmsp to use - the demo factor is that you only get to use it for 30 days.

computo · Post by **computo** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:20 am

really, you have to read the manual...

I NEVER use rewire for max, its of no use to me.

I always use soundflower, it does it just fine, and doesnt differentiate between master and slave.

theres a tutorial, or chapter on that somewhere...

when in doubt ask the experts...the max emaillist.

henry ford · Post by **henry ford** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:43 am

yeah. or forget about rewire.

Mbazzy · Post by **Mbazzy** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:29 am

As a musician I do expect some instant gratification when using a software of choice ... unfortunately I don't have this with Max/msp - PD ... though I do understand the vast possibilities and merits of the said software.

Plogue Bidule (and Audiomulch even more , but this lacks the more basic buildingblock functionality ) has this and that I am missing with the foresaid packages.