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people who stick to only mac's or only pc's are limiting their options through narrow mindedness.

glu wrote:Hey Hambone you are on 1999 posts! I know you probably won't make your reply to this post your 2000 but I only meant marry by having the Apple officially be able to run Windows OS. It would be pretty nifty, and more PC users might buy the Apple for its quality and also for the option of using OSX. Perhaps that is more like civil union than marriage. happy 2000!

this idea will see a massive increase in sales for Apple.

apple do have a tendancy to break the barrier with power, and then do nothing for a while which allows PC's to overtake, so running OSX on PC would also be a good idea.

you stil get competition between osx and windows, and between apple and all of the million pc makers.

WINE for OSX x86 is already well underway, if that's your bag...

wilxon wrote:people who stick to only mac's or only pc's are limiting their options through narrow mindedness.

Honestly I've only stuck with macs because I was given a dual gig G4 desktop, and for years I was not much into netwerking computers, I just ran a tower for audio and the internet, and I don't work with computers in my day job. Otherwise I would be running a PC deskop and a mac laptop. To me anyway, that's the best of both worlds, mac laptop stability and design with PC desktop cheapness and configurability. Now that I'm all big on ADAT, ethernet, and other ways of connecting two computers, PC's are much more of an option.

If I was running a pro Tools studio I might want to stick with power macs simply because you want everything to be 100% solid, and macs will always be much more homogenous than PCs that way.

Machinesworking wrote:

wilxon wrote:people who stick to only mac's or only pc's are limiting their options through narrow mindedness.

Honestly I've only stuck with macs because I was given a dual gig G4 desktop, and for years I was not much into netwerking computers, I just ran a tower for audio and the internet, and I don't work with computers in my day job. Otherwise I would be running a PC deskop and a mac laptop. To me anyway, that's the best of both worlds, mac laptop stability and design with PC desktop cheapness and configurability. Now that I'm all big on ADAT, ethernet, and other ways of connecting two computers, PC's are much more of an option.

If I was running a pro Tools studio I might want to stick with power macs simply because you want everything to be 100% solid, and macs will always be much more homogenous than PCs that way.

I like your answer, thought through, and you know what you want from a system, but there are people that simply wont consider macs because they are used to windows, and people that wont consider pc's becase they think that macs are just better.

Sound on Sound did a review of centrino based laptops 2 years ago now, he tested to see how many instances of reverb he could run before a) the audio started crackling and b) before the computer crashed.

he managed 20 on the G4 before it started affecting the audio, and on a 1.6 centrino he managed 36, that is about 60% more processing power.

I will bet that the macbook pro will out do all pc's on its release, but it wont be long before all of the Napa (knickname for dual core in the acbook) PC's will have better performance.

im glad that mac's are an option again. The G4 was just to old to think about buying as a new computer. I like the idea of being able to buy a nice fast apple laptop after they iron out all the buggs. It just means more options to me. It is only a good thing. That and the idea of being able to run OSX on my PC hardware is a nice idea as well. Again its just more options.

wllxon- you're completely lost.

you cant blame apple for haults in the speed increases. that was IBM not providing what it said it would. have you not noticed anyone elses posts? other threads? apples moving along just like the pc's are now with intels. did you happen to miss that?



please do explain how its narror minded that we dont OWN two different pc's?

i'm sorry but software is not like hardware. you may really lose out purchasing one piece of gear over another, would be better to have both keyboards instead the just one, but software is different.


theres tons of junk you dont need out there. the free stuff that comes for pcs, sorry maybe i'm speaking for myself but most are garbage.



this is music, not lets see how many VST's,plug ins, apps i can get in the studio.

Digi V wrote: this is music, not lets see how many VST's,plug ins, apps i can get in the studio.

I agree, its different strokes for different folks. As you can see there are people out there who love PC, MAC, and BOTH! Some people can't live without Gigasampler, Some can't live without Logic, holy hell, these computers will be able to run them both. I think that's worth being excited about.

And there's nothing wrong with comparing computers by how many reverbs or other FX your system can handle, some people may be recording many simultaneous tracks with comps, EQs, and verbs, and to them, "this is music" and the # of VSTs to matter, especially when you drop a few grand on Waves.

my 02

by the way, I AM EXCITED!

wilxon wrote:he managed 20 on the G4 before it started affecting the audio, and on a 1.6 centrino he managed 36, that is about 60% more processing power.

And yet so many people were/are making music with that weak little G4. It's not always about how many reverbs you can run, but you knew that.

Yeah, I'm REALLY trying hard to hold to my guns, and wait until June for a macbook. Most of my software will be ported, and I'm hoping a 17" model with FW 800, and maybe a slightly faster chip will be introduced by then, dunno....

Right now it would be Live, Logic, and Crystal..... waiting on NI Reactor, Absynth, Kontact, FM7, Intact. PSP Vintage Warmer, Uh-He Zebra 2, Filterscape, Camelspace, Spectoral Shapers, and not to mention all the free plug ins....MUSOLOMO

i dont see the point in a 17inch. its just too big for me, might as well get a desktop

2 days ago we had narod niki in a local club here (see google for details about narod niki).
So, 8 performers together, some wih PowerBooks some with laptop PC, some with Live some with Cubase, some with hardware only
I won't name the artists.
The stage was in the center of the dancefloor, anyone could have a look at the screens of the artists, well I saw:
a german guy restarting his PB because of live crash, 2x
a swiss guy restarting his PB due to live crash 1x
another swiss guy restarting his PB due to cubase crash.

The guys playing on stage were not newbies, some of them are producing and playing live since years and some of them are really close to ableton so I would exclude cracked versions.

I would say it's pretty clear that mac is not crash proof as some people like to stress here sometimes.

Digi V wrote:wllxon- you're completely lost.

you cant blame apple for haults in the speed increases. that was IBM not providing what it said it would. have you not noticed anyone elses posts? other threads? apples moving along just like the pc's are now with intels. did you happen to miss that?



please do explain how its narror minded that we dont OWN two different pc's?

i'm sorry but software is not like hardware. you may really lose out purchasing one piece of gear over another, would be better to have both keyboards instead the just one, but software is different.


theres tons of junk you dont need out there. the free stuff that comes for pcs, sorry maybe i'm speaking for myself but most are garbage.



this is music, not lets see how many VST's,plug ins, apps i can get in the studio.

I am not lost, if you read my previous posts you might see what i mean,

I didnt say it was macs fault, i agree, they cant help being slowed down by IBM,

All i was saying is that people should have an open mind when buying new hardware and software, and perhaps mac should run windows, PCs to run OSX.

I bought a new PC before Xmas, i wanted to move to mac - but i wasnt buying a G4 that has been around for donkeys years. I wanted new technology - thats what i got at the time.

If apple had announced in macbook pro in november, i would have waited until i could investigate one.

I am now sure that next time i need a new computer, you will see loads of Napa Pc's (which is the intel chip in macbook pro)

minimal wrote:2 days ago we had narod niki in a local club here (see google for details about narod niki).
So, 8 performers together, some wih PowerBooks some with laptop PC, some with Live some with Cubase, some with hardware only
I won't name the artists.
The stage was in the center of the dancefloor, anyone could have a look at the screens of the artists, well I saw:
a german guy restarting his PB because of live crash, 2x
a swiss guy restarting his PB due to live crash 1x
another swiss guy restarting his PB due to cubase crash.

The guys playing on stage were not newbies, some of them are producing and playing live since years and some of them are really close to ableton so I would exclude cracked versions.

I would say it's pretty clear that mac is not crash proof as some people like to stress here sometimes.

exactly, this is bcause they are just computers with a different operating system.

wilxon wrote:

minimal wrote:2 days ago we had narod niki in a local club here (see google for details about narod niki).
So, 8 performers together, some wih PowerBooks some with laptop PC, some with Live some with Cubase, some with hardware only
I won't name the artists.
The stage was in the center of the dancefloor, anyone could have a look at the screens of the artists, well I saw:
a german guy restarting his PB because of live crash, 2x
a swiss guy restarting his PB due to live crash 1x
another swiss guy restarting his PB due to cubase crash.

The guys playing on stage were not newbies, some of them are producing and playing live since years and some of them are really close to ableton so I would exclude cracked versions.

I would say it's pretty clear that mac is not crash proof as some people like to stress here sometimes.

exactly, this is bcause they are just computers with a different operating system.

yes, so it's pretty clear now that NO PLATFORM is crash free.