ableton says no to selling operator

dom · Post by **dom** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:34 pm

Yepp, that's what i tried to say :)

Frederik654 · Post by **Frederik654** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:47 pm

Ok now can someone change the topic title cause it gives a rather negative feedback to new members or visitors scrolling through topics .. We don't want to scare people from buying Operator .. (if some newb would type operator in search) and I don't like to read "ableton company has bad policies and stuff like that" on other forums too

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:13 pm

Frederik654 wrote:Ok now can someone change the topic title cause it gives a rather negative feedback to new members or visitors scrolling through topics .. We don't want to scare people from buying Operator .. (if some newb would type operator in search) and I don't like to read "ableton company has bad policies and stuff like that" on other forums too

I agree with your sentiment, but it's still a fact that licenses can no longer be transfered. This is a change in policy that wasn't announced.

steve-o · Post by **steve-o** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:35 pm

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:45 pm

DeadlyKungFu wrote: I agree with your sentiment, but it's still a fact that licenses can no longer be transfered. This is a change in policy that wasn't announced.

and in a couple ways - kind of weak

You buy something, you don't like it / need the money / whatever - you should be able to sell it

This is America dammit

You don't like something, you should be able to take it back

franknputer · Post by **franknputer** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:00 pm

DeadlyKungFu wrote: I agree with your sentiment, but it's still a fact that licenses can no longer be transfered. This is a change in policy that wasn't announced.

Not really - if you read the last "official" post about this, a) it's in the current EULA, and b) they are trying to figure out a way to accomodate changing it, which is more than you can say for a LOT of software companies.

I suggest everyone lighten up a bit & see what develops. Be glad that they are listening, but let them decide how to best run their company, and live with it or don't. I really don't think they are plotting against their customers, but are just trying to keep their company afloat in a tough market.

Regarding some of what I've read here: how would you feel in a year or two if Ableton closed up shop tomorrow? Happens all the time. I was a big BeOS fan: I wrote reviews for audio software, worked with developers to better their efforts, even evangelized to larger companies about supporting the OS - and honestly, I was somewhat heartbroken when they went under. Years later, I've had to move on, with some regrets over what I used to use & what could have been.

Sure, I can still run it - but supported hardware is getting harder to find, and none of the more recent technologies, such as PCI-X, are supported. And many of the developers, who have to make a living like anyone else, do not write for BeOS anymore.

So consider this - if Live is teh shizz in your musical life - would you want to be forced to change, simply because they couldn't make ends meet financially? If not, then supporting them is the best defense - and that includes your input on their public forum.

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:30 pm

franknputer wrote:
DeadlyKungFu wrote: I agree with your sentiment, but it's still a fact that licenses can no longer be transfered. This is a change in policy that wasn't announced.
Not really - if you read the last "official" post about this, a) it's in the current EULA, and b) they are trying to figure out a way to accomodate changing it, which is more than you can say for a LOT of software companies.

"Not really" what? It's in the current EULA that you can't sell it, this was not always the case. They are trying to change it, but it's setup so you can't sell it.

I suggest everyone lighten up a bit & see what develops. Be glad that they are listening, but let them decide how to best run their company, and live with it or don't. I really don't think they are plotting against their customers, but are just trying to keep their company afloat in a tough market.

Again, not really, it's part of the lock/unlock scheme, it's less about money and more about protecting their IP, which ultimately IS money. They are not just trying to get another $150 from me, they just don't want Operator copies to proliferate unnecessarily.

Regarding some of what I've read here: how would you feel in a year or two if Ableton closed up shop tomorrow?
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So consider this - if Live is teh shizz in your musical life - would you want to be forced to change, simply because they couldn't make ends meet financially? If not, then supporting them is the best defense - and that includes your input on their public forum.

Wow. Do you see how often I post, how much I get involved in tech discussions with Live and helping newbies out? I've been a user and Live evanglelist since ver. 3. I bought the $80 sweatshirt and will buy more bling. I've been vocal about buying ver 6 and I've convinced a lot of people to purchase Live. Sorry to say this, but you're pretty new and probably shouldn't judge me like that. You're asking me if Live is the shizzle?? That's funny.

To many peoples' suprise there was a change in policy. Is it unfair? No, it's in the EULA and it's not all that common to resell software. We're simply suprised, there have been quite a few software resells on this very board, you'd know that if you'd been around before June. I'm bummed because I want the damn Operator, John wants the money to help him buy Sampler!!

I'm not real hip to a thread with a negative slant either. The fact of the matter is that once again the Abes have been direct in dealing with customers, they look good in this case. This is a big change, there's sales, marketing, the VPs, engineering, the board of directors (or whatever 'suits with attitudes' that have to approve such things), all have to agree on this policy change. Not to mention Live 6 is about to launch.

Not to be a dick, you're a nice guy with a polite writing style.

blah blah blah blah

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:48 pm

Ableton's probably not going to go out of business over an Operator license

If it did that would be weird

I don't pretend to know or care about the behind the scene's action on the business tip of any business

I'm the end user and I want my end using actions to be smooth and effortless without

Actually that's a lie - I was shopping for a new pair of shoes last night and strolled into THE NIKE STORE - then remembered a paper I wrote in school about NIKES slave labor and walked out

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:38 pm

yeah i hardly think that the operator/sampler license issue would make them go out of buisiness.

hell, more and more people discover live everyday.
you should my irc channels im at, now-a-days alot of them are using live, just like that.

more coming too.

john gordon · Post by **john gordon** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:47 pm

they really do listen.......
Hello John,

Never mind. I can understand that our license policy can be slightly
confusing.

A little explanation:

A Live license consists of the first version you purchase and all
further version upgrades. As I explained yesterday and as it can also be
seen in our FAQ, a license may only be transferred as a whole. This way we
can secure that a Live serial number is upgraded only once.

Operator is also an upgrade and thus connected to a Live license, and
is not a separate license. But we can understand that regarding
transfers it should be allowed to be handled differently.

So we are going to change our license policy regarding Operator within
the next days. I cannot tell you exactly any details yet, since you
just called our attention to this issue.

We will let you know about our decision as soon as we made it.

Best regards,

Robert

john gordon · Post by **john gordon** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:51 pm

djadonis206 wrote:Huh?

I sold my license and it went rather smooth

they must like you more than they like me.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:51 pm

I think that is great personally

(Although I would never sell my Operator!!)

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:02 pm

john gordon wrote: they must like you more than they like me.

That's a fair assumption

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:13 pm

Considering the bad mouthing you've been doing to them John, they are treating you pretty damn well in all this.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:14 pm

john gordon wrote: they must like you more than they like me.

Perhaps he just never called RH an asshole

ableton says no to selling operator

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