[OT] Any vegans here?

[err_eur]

I'd say the only way you could stop from being a hypocrite is growing your own food.

dude shut up!!! Now you are taking it into pure idiot territory. When did we start debating agriculture???


besides, if I could afford some land I would totally have a plot somewhere and build a house, preferably in the Northwest, somewhere between San Francisco and Vancouver B.C., and I would be growing some food, you better believe it. Unfortunately it's out of my budget and I don't have the resources. I'd love to get the fuck out of the city and do my own thing. I actually have spent time living on organic farming communities on the west coast now that you are going to be a dildo and talk shit. Yes digging irrigation trenches with a pick axe in solid sheet rock at times in the midsummer afternoon heat. I loved it.

[frankie123]

I'd say the only way you could stop from being a hypocrite is growing your own food.

dude shut up!!! Now you are taking it into pure idiot territory. When did we start debating agriculture???


besides, if I could afford some land I would totally have a plot somewhere and build a house, preferably in the Northwest, somewhere between San Francisco and Vancouver B.C., and I would be growing some food, you better believe it. Unfortunately it's out of my budget and I don't have the resources. I'd love to get the fuck out of the city and do my own thing. I actually have spent time living on organic farming communities on the west coast now that you are going to be a dildo and talk shit. Yes digging irrigation trenches with a pick axe in solid sheet rock at times in the midsummer afternoon heat. I loved it.

So I take it you're not going to acknowledge this, do I have to keep on posting it? So it's basically ok for you to eat vegan and have millions of innocent animals get killed (violently might I add), and not even eaten?




Well here's something that not many vegetarians know (or care to acknowledge): every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season (source).

The vegetarian response to this embarrassing fact is "well, at least we're not killing intentionally." So let me get this straight; not only are animals ruthlessly being murdered as a direct result of your diet, but you're not even using the meat of the animals YOU kill? At least we're eating the animals we kill (and although we also contribute to the slaughter of animals during grain harvesting, keep in mind that we're not the ones with a moral qualm about it), not just leaving them to rot in a field somewhere. That makes you just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater any day. Not only that, but you're killing free-roaming animals, not animals that were raised for feed. Their bodies get mangled in the combine's machinery, bones crushed, and you have the audacity to point fingers at the meat industry for humanely punching a spike through a cow's neck? If you think that tofu burgers come at no cost to animals or the environment, guess again.

[Kodama]

Hey Jade,


I recommend you do stuff right on all fronts, whether you stay veggie or vegan is cool, but just eat healthy.

And parhaps learn as much as you will give time to how much the vegetarian diet is a benefit to the world as a whole.

http://www.emagazine.com/view/?142&src=

http://www.emagazine.com/view/?3312&src=

Get back to basics, lots of ethnic style food with beans & grains & veggies & fruit, etc...

Don't go the fried, overprocessed way of eating and burn out.

If you're into cooking, check out a good cookbook like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/How-All-Vegan-Irr ... 69?ie=UTF8

If you go out to eat, check out options like Lebonese, Ethiopian, veg restaurants, etc...

Try a search on google for resources:

http://www.google.com/search?q=seattle+ ... S:official

Best of luck and gimme a shout if you need anything!

[Meef Chaloin]

this argument is bullshit, and so is that article. The crux of the argument seems to be that vegetarians shouldnt be veggies because they kill as many animals as meat eaters?!

Thank you for contacting PETA about animals killed during grain harvesting.
While millions of animals are killed each year in the
harvesting process, millions of animals suffer EVERY DAY in the meat
industry. BILLIONS of animals are tortured and slaughtered for food every
year in the United States alone. All of these animals being raised for meat
eat grain. In fact, they consume more than half of all of the grain produced
in this country. If the population of the United States were vegetarian, we
would actually require LESS grain, and thereby kill fewer animals during
harvesting. When you eat meat, not only are you contributing to the
suffering of the farmed animals, but you are also contributing to the
majority of the animals killed during harvesting.

[Kodama]

Frankie, why not just start a hatas thread & skee daddle outta this one?

(Move along)

[Meef Chaloin]

Well here's something that not many vegetarians know (or care to acknowledge): every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season (source).

The vegetarian response to this embarrassing fact is "well, at least we're not killing intentionally."

who's generalising now?
That site shows a massive ignorance, not only of vegetarian diet but lifestyle and morals.

[frankie123]

this argument is bullshit, and so is that article. The crux of the argument seems to be that vegetarians shouldnt be veggies because they kill as many animals as meat eaters?!

Thank you for contacting PETA about animals killed during grain harvesting.
While millions of animals are killed each year in the
harvesting process, millions of animals suffer EVERY DAY in the meat
industry. BILLIONS of animals are tortured and slaughtered for food every
year in the United States alone. All of these animals being raised for meat
eat grain. In fact, they consume more than half of all of the grain produced
in this country. If the population of the United States were vegetarian, we
would actually require LESS grain, and thereby kill fewer animals during
harvesting. When you eat meat, not only are you contributing to the
suffering of the farmed animals, but you are also contributing to the
majority of the animals killed during harvesting.

hypocrisy at its finest.

[frankie123]

Well here's something that not many vegetarians know (or care to acknowledge): every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season (source).

The vegetarian response to this embarrassing fact is "well, at least we're not killing intentionally."

who's generalising now?
That site shows a massive ignorance, not only of vegetarian diet but lifestyle and morals.

Yeah, morality is what I'm questioning.

[frankie123]

Frankie, why not just start a hatas thread & skee daddle outta this one?

(Move along)

You say that like you're winning this argument

[Meef Chaloin]

Yeah, morality is what I'm questioning.

shame you dont learn about it first

[Kodama]

Frankie, why not just start a hatas thread & skee daddle outta this one?

(Move along)

You say that like you're winning this argument

As long as I feel like typing in response to your boxing brain-trauma induced rattlings, the truth I gift you always will be victor!

[frankie123]

Frankie, why not just start a hatas thread & skee daddle outta this one?

(Move along)

You say that like you're winning this argument

As long as I feel like typing in response to your boxing brain-trauma induced rattlings, the truth I gift you always will be victor!

Such clever humor.

[Kodama]

Thanks sweetie!

[dataspore]

i was a vegan for a while in my teens.
went over really well at family holiday get-togethers

stopped while travelling around a bunch cause it was a huge hassle.

i have decided to try more of a macrobiotic diet myself.

thanks for starting this thread and good luck missjade!

and you guys that are arguing and name-calling
shut up and stop wasting bandwidth

for fuck sake it's like kindergarten here...

[err_eur]

i was a vegan for a while in my teens.
went over really well at family holiday get-togethers

stopped while travelling around a bunch cause it was a huge hassle.

i have decided to try more of a macrobiotic diet myself.

thanks for starting this thread and good luck missjade!

and you guys that are arguing and name-calling
shut up and stop wasting bandwidth

for fuck sake it's like kindergarten here...

see that's apathy. bandwidth and comfort (i.e. less "hassle" finding meals while traveling) are more important than the lives of other living entities.

sacrifice

Main Entry: 1sac·ri·fice
Pronunciation: 'sa-kr&-"fIs, also -f&s or -"fIz
Function: noun

3 a : destruction or surrender of something for the sake of
something else b : something given up or lost <the sacrifices made by parents>


something so foreign to many people these days. It's a BURGER KING philosophy that rules the world.


"whatever works for me, whatever makes me happy, regardless of who has to pay."

some symptoms of SOCIOPATHY

no sense of responsibility
inability to control impulses
lack of moral sense
lack of guilt
self-centeredness