Your opinons on guitar rig??

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kramer
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Post by kramer » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:38 am

Tone Deft wrote:
kramer wrote:
Tone Deft wrote: Yeah, there's a wicked Pod XT setting I just downloaded, sounds exactly like the Barbed Wire Kisses album.

;)
:( I hope the wink means you're kidding because those are the type of sounds that really do sound crappy from a pod.
I run it over USB so it sounds warmer and has a more vintage sound. Firewire is better for 80s metal and reggae, USB is best for 70s punk, grunge and shoegazer, for 70s album rock and 80s new wave I convert to ADAT.
Uh yeah.....and Mini-Disk is best for Electro and hip-hop. 8O

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Post by R.J.Dubya » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:07 am

Hey Tone Deft, you've got the stealthplug right?

How's it sound? And how is the lite amplitube that comes with it? Do you tend to usually use guitar rig with it?

Was considering getting one. You know, for those times with the lappy in bed or whatnot....
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Post by amcnally336 » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:19 am

Just wanted to add my two cents. A lot of the utility of emulating software depends on the input signal. I use a FF800 and use the limiting/gain options to send a really nice signal to guitar rig. My old interface was not even close to the sound I am getting using the 800. A lot of people like to use tube pres to warm the signal a bit(I have not tried this) Also, presets suck. To really get the most out of the software, you need to spend time with it...try browsing some forums to get some pretty amazing sounds. Of course it does not stack up to a tube amp, but the near limitless combinations to add to your tonal palette are simply mind-boggling, and using the split and step functions, you can create sounds that are difficult if not impossible to create in the analog realm. I feel that you would really be limiting the inherent possibilities by simply dismissing the program without really knowing what it is capable of. When digital delays first came out, some people looked down their noses, but I can't imagine life without them. They are all simply tools...if you do not connect with a particular tool, that's cool, but simply stating "they suck" doesn't really aaccomplish anything. My personal set-up involves DI into guitar rig to act as a sort of "pedal depository", turn off amp and cab emulations, output the signal to a reamp which sends the processed signal to my Mercury Magnetics modded valve junior. This gets you the best of both worlds...all the wonderful effect combinations and tonal manipulations of the guitar rig, with the wonderful crunch and bite that only a tube amp can give you. I really can't recommend this combination enough! (I also plan on picking up a fuzz factory because they kick such balls!!) So, just like most other sonic tools, it is the way in which you use it that determines whether it sucks or not!

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Post by eyeknow » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:21 am

kramer wrote:
eyeknow wrote: .who are you anyways....... :lol:
kramer
eyeknow wrote: btw, didn't you get blacklisted for your tirade in a comedy club recently? Is that why you are so angry?
That was the fake kramer. I am the real one. I'm not angry at all. I just think software-guitar-amp emulations suck really bad compared to the real thing. How does that make me angry?
eyeknow wrote: AND btw, how do you do your guitar parts? Hmmmmmmmm? (seriously, tell us how) :)
What do you mean "guitar parts"? Like the physical pieces of a guitar or the do you mean how to play it?
You might well be THE most bizarre poster in the forum.......

you don't have a guitar amp, and you don't tell us how you track guitars......but the emulators we like suck........

CLASSIC! :lol:

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Post by dj superflat » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:09 pm

the point about the pres is critical -- i use a millenia STT-1 as a pre for guitar, even just using it to record clean into live gives great results. while that pre is somewhat over the top, even recording via a mesa tube pedal i have (it's actually a mesa rectifier tube amp in a pedal) gives great results, and sounds worlds better than (e.g.) recording via just RME/emu or the GRII controller.

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Post by sparklepuff » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:20 pm

I want to stick my guitar into one of these:
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Post by sparklepuff » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:21 pm

Kramer doesn't even play guitar, he plays records.
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Post by CWoodOne » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:46 pm

Firewire is better for 80s metal and reggae, USB is best for 70s punk, grunge and shoegazer, for 70s album rock and 80s new wave I convert to ADAT.[/quote]Uh yeah.....and Mini-Disk is best for Electro and hip-hop. 8O[/quote]


Paula Abdul is actually listenable on MiniDisc, but no other format... :)

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Post by shtreimel » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:32 pm

I'm one lazy ass guitar player. So when I heard that other's were using Guitar Rig...Boss GT-8 etc., I did the same. Heaven?

Not at all. My experience is akin to eating an apple jelly candy as a replacement for an apple. Alas, I'll be repurchasing amps and pedals in the near future.

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Post by Tone Deft » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:25 pm

R.J.Dubya wrote:Hey Tone Deft, you've got the stealthplug right?

How's it sound? And how is the lite amplitube that comes with it? Do you tend to usually use guitar rig with it?

Was considering getting one. You know, for those times with the lappy in bed or whatnot....
For $100 Stealthplug is a no brainer, just for the times you want to plug the guitar into a computer and play late at night. A few weeks after I got that I bought a Pod XT so I didn't get into the quality of the sounds too much. Some were lame, some were fun. The interface is well done, you're looking at a blank pedal board and have ~5 slots to choose what goes stomp box goes where.

One end is a 1/4" guitar plug, other end is a USB connector for the computer, in the middle is a small plastic box with a sound card including volume control and a headphone jack, nicely made device. Plug it into the computer and select it as your sound card.

Nice day today and I have the day off, might just take the electric down to the park and see what happens, make some loops in Ableton.


IMO the Pod is better than GR and Amplitube. I'll conceed that REAL tube amps have that ability to sound like a real tube amp with no fuss. Good Pod sounds come after some searching to presets and tweaking them later. I still would like to get an amp (sold the last one, Boogie DC10 is tooooo loud for apartments!!) for the simple plug in and play tone.

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Post by sparklepuff » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:31 pm

I still have my amps, but what am I supposed to do with 2 2x12 Hotrod Devilles in a New York aparment? Put my drinks on them while I play guitar through my computer! I'll never get rid of my amps because I'll still use them to play live with at some point, although I'm planning on using Guitar Rig live at my next gig. We'll see how that goes, hopefully my MacBook Pro won't fail me. I'll be nervous as hell, that's for sure. But I've got my presets running between 8-20% CPU, and Live and my synths only add on 20% more. As long as I can stay below 50% for a Live performance I hope to not run into any problems. I'll post how that goes.
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Post by OvertoneZero » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:51 pm

Put this in front of your computer when running Amp Modelers:



http://www.damagecontrolusa.com/wmz.htm



Prosper.

kramer
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Post by kramer » Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:10 am

sparklepuff wrote:Kramer doesn't even play guitar, he plays records.
I played guitar for almost 15 years on and off. It's just fun to talk smack about some software and then have someone come in and call you names because you dissed his software. That stuff is amusing to me. I always wonder if those kind of people act like that in real life. Like if we were at Guitar Center and I said to a guy "I think Guitar Rig sucks." and then he turns arround and says "Well you're an asshole and a dipshit." I bet that wouldn't happen. Too funny.

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Post by sparklepuff » Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:10 am

It's Friday. It's called joking. If we were at Guitar Center I'd start wrestling with you and crashing over all the stupid stacks of Marshall cabinets.
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Post by sparklepuff » Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:12 am

OvertoneZero wrote:Put this in front of your computer when running Amp Modelers:



http://www.damagecontrolusa.com/wmz.htm



Prosper.
What a tongue in cheek name! As if that thing would have any effectiveness in getting chicks!
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