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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:36 pm
by Tone Deft
forge wrote:I guess that was a subtle hint which was missed at the time
ANY OTHER subtle hints???? Was Roger Linn there by chance with his mpc slicing source code? Bob Moog came out of hiding to make a VST? Programmers with buttons on saying BRING BACK THE EDIT BUTTON?? Did they ask you to try out the new Slicer???
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:42 pm
by forge
Tone Deft wrote:forge wrote:I guess that was a subtle hint which was missed at the time
ANY OTHER subtle hints???? Was Roger Linn there by chance with his mpc slicing source code? Bob Moog came out of hiding to make a VST? Programmers with buttons on saying BRING BACK THE EDIT BUTTON?? Did they ask you to try out the new Slicer???
oh wait, Steve Jobs was there with about 15 Lawyers, I wonder what that was all about?
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:50 pm
by hoffman2k
forge wrote:Tone Deft wrote:forge wrote:I guess that was a subtle hint which was missed at the time
ANY OTHER subtle hints???? Was Roger Linn there by chance with his mpc slicing source code? Bob Moog came out of hiding to make a VST? Programmers with buttons on saying BRING BACK THE EDIT BUTTON?? Did they ask you to try out the new Slicer???
oh wait, Steve Jobs was there with about 15 Lawyers, I wonder what that was all about?
He traveled with my posse.
I had him on standby, incase i got into a mac vs pc debate with Andreas.
It had nothing to do with Ableton at all
The 15 lawyers were just along so that i could gauge the cost of a non-hostile take over.
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:27 am
by OvertoneZero
Yeah, I haven't used Max/MSP at all yet, but I'm wondering, can you basically build patches in Max/MSP and then run them as plug-ins within Live or Rewired, say with tempo sync, audio throughput, midi control etc.... Or is that what we speculate we're moving toward with this partnership?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:52 am
by hoffman2k
OvertoneZero wrote:Yeah, I haven't used Max/MSP at all yet, but I'm wondering, can you basically build patches in Max/MSP and then run them as plug-ins within Live or Rewired, say with tempo sync, audio throughput, midi control etc....
yes
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:45 pm
by OvertoneZero
Hmm..
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:20 pm
by vexkon
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:32 pm
by Amaury
Tone Deft wrote:From here:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 108#272108
Stefan Franke wrote:An old friend of ours recently made a VST plug (PC only) that can be freely
configured to send out any automation it receives via OSC.
The people at meso use it to add timeline-based control their wonderful real
time video synthesis engine called vvvv.
Have a look here:
http://vvvv.meso.net/tiki-index.php?page=OSCGlue
Didn't someone (Amo?) write a video plug-in for Live 5,
(found it)
http://www.groc.org/movieplayer/
then we got it in Live 6? This one has video control too. I don't know Max, does this shed new light on the announcement? Did they just port this to Mac and UB and put a GUI interface on it?
SO... one of you needs to write a Slicer VST that works within Live so we can get it in Live 8. And some midi tools, and... that's a whole 'nother forum.
Hi,
Just not to create legends where a gossip starts: my clumsy video plugin has nothing to do with the video implementation in Live 6, and I had nothing to do with the development of the feature. I just did it at a time where I was tired seeing so many people asking for video support, and no Max user trying to develop it. It seemed an easy task to me. Wasn't so easy in the end (so, it was a bit clumsy).
best,
Amaury
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:36 pm
by nebulae
I no longer have any idea what y'all are talking about, but since there are slapping pictures...
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:38 pm
by hoffman2k
To prevent legends and gossip...
Gives us some solid facts!
Or just quote one of my hundreds of speculations and answer with "warm" or "cold".
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:41 pm
by nebulae
Don't do it, Amaury, keep them guessing!
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:43 pm
by Amaury
hoffman2k wrote:To prevent legends and gossip...
Gives us some solid facts!
Or just quote one of my hundreds of speculations and answer with "warm" or "cold".
Well, solid facts... history is solid; I can tell what happened to something I saw from close. But I did not yet learn to read the future.
Warm or cold? Well, that depends. Let me ask: is it warm or cold today? I bet we'll get different answers from different people.
best,
Amaury
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:16 pm
by hoffman2k
Amaury wrote:hoffman2k wrote:To prevent legends and gossip...
Gives us some solid facts!
Or just quote one of my hundreds of speculations and answer with "warm" or "cold".
Well, solid facts... history is solid; I can tell what happened to something I saw from close. But I did not yet learn to read the future.
Warm or cold? Well, that depends. Let me ask: is it warm or cold today? I bet we'll get different answers from different people.
best,
Amaury
I didn't ask you to read the future. I asked you to read the features
And FYI. Today its warm.
Ps:
- B
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:19 pm
by nebulae
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:55 pm
by Machinesworking
Amaury wrote:hoffman2k wrote:To prevent legends and gossip...
Gives us some solid facts!
Or just quote one of my hundreds of speculations and answer with "warm" or "cold".
Well, solid facts... history is solid; I can tell what happened to something I saw from close. But I did not yet learn to read the future.
Warm or cold? Well, that depends. Let me ask: is it warm or cold today? I bet we'll get different answers from different people.
best,
Amaury
OK I love this sort of thing, making wild guesses and looking back later to see how close you were to the truth. Here's mine.
Live is built on the concept of stability and performance. Pluggo, Cycling 74's VST/AU plug in that allows users to make plug ins in Max/MSP is pretty cool, but not always stable, and not always the best way to use Max/MSP. Rewire is what? 7 years old or more? In OSX you can use IAC MIDI, and Jack or Soundflower to run both Max/MSP and Live with a bit more flexibility than rewire.
My guess is Ableton and Cycling 74 are implementing a way to seriously glue Max/MSP and Live, including MIDI manipulating objects designed specifically for this.
NI's Kore 2 just announced that it will allow users to drop Reactor MIDI sequencers into any track with any instrument or FX plug in, inside Kore. Ableton and Cycling just might be working on a way for users to write their own MIDI plug ins in Max, and drop them in Live like they were Live's own MIDI plug ins. Expand that to the audio side and things are looking interesting.
Sure, you can do a lot of what I'm talking about here now, but it takes serious time, every time you do it, it's not a matter of creating a device in Max/MSP and simply dragging it from Live's browser next time you want to use it.
Anyway, this, if implemented would kill.
