is it really worth spending more for mac?

Alex Reynolds · Post by **Alex Reynolds** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 2:54 pm

Anonymous wrote:No, that was the other guy.

No, really. Feel free to quote where I've said something like this. Be a little accountable for what you say.

-Alex

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 2:59 pm

Well I personally would expect something along those lines given your track record of abstarct comparisons, abuse and telling people to "go polish Bills' knob" just for even suggesting that a PC does a fine job of running Live here ALONGSIDE A MAC for other duties. So don't come the "be accountable" bullshit when you are the first in with nonsense and abuse.

Good day. I think everyone has the measure of what you are all about now, thank you.

Alex Reynolds · Post by **Alex Reynolds** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:20 pm

It must be nice not to be accountable for what you write.

Cheers,
Alex

Pablo Honey · Post by **Pablo Honey** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:11 pm

Mac is the way to go in my opinion especially for music applications.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:18 pm

_________________
Intel 3Ghz based PC
Soundscape Mixtreme 16 I/O with onboard fx
Windows XP
Live3.0.1
(usable ASIO latency of 3ms for the last 3 years)
Logic 5
Reason2.5

Use what suits your needs and be happy.....

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:23 pm

Anonymous wrote:

Mac is the way to go in my opinion especially for music applications.
_________________
PowerMac G4 1.2Ghz
Digi001
OSX10.3.2
Live3.0.1
(I'm using Core Audio 4ms of overall latency with buffer set @ 128)
Protools6.2.2
Reason2.5

I keep the wolf from the door......
_________________
Intel 3Ghz based PC
Soundscape Mixtreme 16 I/O with onboard fx
Windows XP
Live3.0.1
(usable ASIO latency of 3ms for the last 3 years)
Logic 5
Reason2.5

Use what suits your needs and be happy.....

the 2 of these side by side I think sums it Up - if like someone once tried to tell me mac GHz is double that of PC in real terms then fair enough, but if like other people who have told me it's more like 25% then compare these 2 - the mac guy has 1.25 GHz and the PC nearly double (based on 25%) and I bet they cost around the same.....

Alex Reynolds · Post by **Alex Reynolds** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:33 pm

$1,299.00

1.25GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 cache
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
Mac OS 9 boot supported
Appleworks + PDF authoring built-in

-- http://store.apple.com/

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$3,252.00

Dell Precision 650
Intel Xeon 3.06 GHz
256MB DDR266 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo drive
ATI Fire GL X1
Windows XP Professional SP1
Office XP Basic + Acrobat 6
No Firewire ports

-- http://www.dell.com/

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Don't take me at my word.

Just go to the two websites and do your own fact-checking.

Cheers,
Alex

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:45 pm

check this out
http://www.spacewalker.com/index7.html
I got a 2.5 GHz Athlon, 512 MB 333MHz RAM, 80GB 7200 Drive, 52x CDRW, 3 Firewire ports, 4 USB, 2 VGA out, S-Video out, SPDIF I/O, Optical I/O, SurroundSound Output, Windows XP....for $900 brand new.
Mac vs. PC...IMO its really whatever you want. Mac's have a nicer feel, more streamlined, more expensive. PC's are cheaper, more expandable, easier to get software for mostly, more customizable. Check out how many posts there are from people having problems running Live on a Mac. I know a lot of Mac users swear by their Mac and freak out at the suggestion that a PC could run as well. My partner uses a 1 GHz G4 and has just as many problems, if not more, than i do on a Windows XP machine. PCs run fine if you spend a little time learning how to tweak and maintain the operating system. If you're not loaded on cash, feel no shame in buying a PC. They're great machines.

Alex Reynolds · Post by **Alex Reynolds** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 6:08 pm

ethios4 wrote:Check out how many posts there are from people having problems running Live on a Mac.

Mac Laden · Post by **Mac Laden** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 6:30 pm

I got a 2.5 GHz Athlon, 512 MB 333MHz RAM, 80GB 7200 Drive, 52x CDRW, 3 Firewire ports, 4 USB, 2 VGA out, S-Video out, SPDIF I/O, Optical I/O, SurroundSound Output, Windows XP....for $900 brand new.

Lies! Lies!! Slay the infidel!!! By the hair that hangs around the testicles of my faithful iCamel may he be condemned to polish Bill Gates' knob for eternity for such evil propaganda!!!!

Rise up!! Rise up!! open your iBowels flagrantly at such deceit as this!! The evidence is there for all to see that such a system in fact costs 5 billion churns of soured goat cheese!!!!

Kill!! Kill!! Destroy!!! May the prophet Steve make kebabs from their organs and smother them in the sauce of justice for such distortions of THE TRUTH!!!!

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 6:44 pm

heehee...you guys are funny.
strange, i had never noticed that there are, in fact, a lot of posts about problems on PCs. All i could see were the Mac problems...
"Nyeh. Whatever. It's probably about equal. "
ain't that the truth.
oh yeah, i checked back, the price on that 2.5 GHz Athlon was wrong. It only cost me $800 = 4.5 billion churns of soured goat cheese, most of which i got from under Steve Wozniak's fat rolls!

claudek · Post by **claudek** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:04 pm

Here is my 2 cents..
If you want a new computer for music..buy a Mac..
If you want a new computer ONLY for Live go with a PC..
I say this as Live runs fine on my Macs but I agree it is better optimized for a PC and would get more tracks and FX etc..unless you buy a G5..

I love my Mac as a computer and all the new updates and products Apple innovates..

Best just go try what comuter fits you..
Make your own decision..

freind2 · Post by **freind2** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:10 pm

OK, but a 1ghz PC will run live better than that 1.25 ghz mac. I can get a 1ghz PC for about $400.

Alex Reynolds wrote:$1,299.00

1.25GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 cache
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
Mac OS 9 boot supported
Appleworks + PDF authoring built-in

-- http://store.apple.com/

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$3,252.00

Dell Precision 650
Intel Xeon 3.06 GHz
256MB DDR266 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo drive
ATI Fire GL X1
Windows XP Professional SP1
Office XP Basic + Acrobat 6
No Firewire ports

-- http://www.dell.com/

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Don't take me at my word.

Just go to the two websites and do your own fact-checking.

Cheers,
Alex

Alex Reynolds · Post by **Alex Reynolds** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:15 pm

freind2 wrote:OK, but a 1ghz PC will run live better than that 1.25 ghz mac. I can get a 1ghz PC for about $400.

With no warranty, not much memory, no Firewire ports. A DIY box is not a fair comparison really. I could build a DIY Power Mac G4 with a dual 1.25 GHz G4 board for about $600-700. It's not really fair to say PCs are really cheaper if you're cutting corners to prove it.

-Alex

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:25 pm

Alex Reynolds wrote:$1,299.00

1.25GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 cache
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
Mac OS 9 boot supported
Appleworks + PDF authoring built-in

-- http://store.apple.com/

-----------

$3,252.00

Dell Precision 650
Intel Xeon 3.06 GHz
256MB DDR266 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo drive
ATI Fire GL X1
Windows XP Professional SP1
Office XP Basic + Acrobat 6
No Firewire ports

-- http://www.dell.com/

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Don't take me at my word.

Just go to the two websites and do your own fact-checking.

Cheers,
Alex

more ridiculous comparisons by Alex! And re-posting of the windows problem threads.

Alex, don't make me re-post all the mac problem threads--most of which have you whining like a little girl about crappy Live preformance on your mac, or suggesting that people render by recording to minidisc like you--very high tech. Or maybe I could post your supposed pcmcia spec--20 mbps, just a little bit better than usb 1--yeah right

How about this deal:

Gateway m675X laptop: $1,999.99 shipped

P4 3.0 HT
17.1" screen !!!!
512 MB DDR SDRAM
XP home
60 ultra ATA hard drive
DVD-R/-RW/CD-RW
4 USB 2.0
Firewire
S-video, Tv out
full size keyboard

That is a seriously tricked out machine for a sweet price, so take your crappy deal on a overpriced Dell and shove it. And like someone else said, any $500 pc these days will still have better performance with Live than the most tricked out pre-G5 Mac, plain and simple. You can keep stroking your battered ego with ridiculously priced boxes, and silly little pc threads, and call all of us who successfully use pcs for Live and music liars, but the truth is out there, and its not your totally distorted, misguided line of bullshit you tout.

Ryan

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