Live audio quality?

[leisuremuffin]

There is definitely a difference between Cubase SX2 and Live 6. If I run my MPC through Live´s channel, it sounds different then when I run the same audio through a cubase channel.
Ableton is cool and all but I will never track my expensive hardware with it. LOL
ANd then also when I used to make tracks with Ableton, I always ended up with a muddy bass track. Thats not the case with my Cubase or my MPC (with only 1 stupid filter per voice btw and no eq)
But its no problem because working with clips in the arranger is a disaster. When deleting bars and such, Ableton likes to make little audio clips in the arranger, that cant be deleted and they cut up other clips. So seriously for arranging and tracking, Ableton is the worst. But still, Ableton is cool and all. For LIVE usage it is the ultimate tool. For creating sounds and wicked loops it is fantastic as well

....and the bullshit continues.






.lm.

[evernaut]

There is definitely a difference between Cubase SX2 and Live 6. If I run my MPC through Live´s channel, it sounds different then when I run the......

"Different" how? This statement is ultimately worthless without some qualitative explanation. If you mean it sounds louder and punchier, then say so and offer thoughts on why that may be the case for you. I often have to run my pres a little hotter with Live than with other DAWs, but as long as you've identified that this is the case, then you can get on with making very high quality recordings.

[leisuremuffin]

anybody interested in why i'm so pissed off at a couple of people, and this "issue" in general should read this entire thread:


http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0




really good times.




.lm.

[Heinz Graaf]

And what about the other things I said? You cant argue with that. Live makes little tiny clips and ruins other clips. This IS the case as Im not the only one with those problems. Live is a bitch and you guys seems like Ableton groupies. And besides this type of thread comes from somewhere and keeps on living.. Coincidence?

[Robert Henke]

And what about the other things I said? You cant argue with that. Live makes little tiny clips and ruins other clips. This IS the case as Im not the only one with those problems. Live is a bitch and you guys seems like Ableton groupies. And besides this type of thread comes from somewhere and keeps on living.. Coincidence?

Find a simple reproduceable scenario for this bug, send a step by step explanation of how to create those pesky little things to [email protected] and it will most likely be fixed in the next minor update. Are you sure you still get those with Live 6?

Robert

[Meef Chaloin]

And what about the other things I said? You cant argue with that. Live makes little tiny clips and ruins other clips. This IS the case as Im not the only one with those problems. Live is a bitch and you guys seems like Ableton groupies. And besides this type of thread comes from somewhere and keeps on living.. Coincidence?

why use the program then?

[Heinz Graaf]

And what about the other things I said? You cant argue with that. Live makes little tiny clips and ruins other clips. This IS the case as Im not the only one with those problems. Live is a bitch and you guys seems like Ableton groupies. And besides this type of thread comes from somewhere and keeps on living.. Coincidence?

Find a simple reproduceable scenario for this bug, send a step by step explanation of how to create those pesky little things to [email protected] and it will most likely be fixed in the next minor update. Are you sure you still get those with Live 6?

Robert

Those clips are sooo small. They are not visible when working with a normal zoom view. When zooming in, you see clips that doesnt grow bigger while zooming. Those clips cant be deleted and those clips do delete other clips that will touch it.
Those clips become present when deleting bars. WHen dividing audio clips by deleting bars you create these little clips. Bug is present in Live version 5 and in version 6

[Heinz Graaf]

And what about the other things I said? You cant argue with that. Live makes little tiny clips and ruins other clips. This IS the case as Im not the only one with those problems. Live is a bitch and you guys seems like Ableton groupies. And besides this type of thread comes from somewhere and keeps on living.. Coincidence?

why use the program then?

I do remember mentioning Live is a very good tool to play LIVE and to create sound. But you obviously missed that. As you probably misssed Lives shortcomings too

[Heinz Graaf]

Oh and since we are bitching.. I recently bought Waves SSL plugins and whoopsy daisy, those fine plugins do not work in Live. They do run in my VERY old cracked version of Logic 5 for pc though... DOH .. Well they do run in Live but after a few minutes I get crashes and cpu spikes.. until I restart the laptop and delete the Waves plugins from the project

[hoffman2k]

And what about the other things I said? You cant argue with that. Live makes little tiny clips and ruins other clips. This IS the case as Im not the only one with those problems. Live is a bitch and you guys seems like Ableton groupies. And besides this type of thread comes from somewhere and keeps on living.. Coincidence?

Find a simple reproduceable scenario for this bug, send a step by step explanation of how to create those pesky little things to [email protected] and it will most likely be fixed in the next minor update. Are you sure you still get those with Live 6?

Robert

Those clips are sooo small. They are not visible when working with a normal zoom view. When zooming in, you see clips that doesnt grow bigger while zooming. Those clips cant be deleted and those clips do delete other clips that will touch it.
Those clips become present when deleting bars. WHen dividing audio clips by deleting bars you create these little clips. Bug is present in Live version 5 and in version 6

Save a set that shows this behaviour. Upload it so we can see these shortcomings we all seem to miss.

[evernaut]

I recently bought Waves SSL plugins and whoopsy daisy, those fine plugins do not work in Live. Well they do run in Live but after a few minutes I get crashes and cpu spikes..

That's like saying I bought a good quality lightweight suitcase recently, advertised as being easy to carry, yet my 4 year old daughter can hardly lift it. I don't know the details of your equipment, but I would've certainly checked out recommended cpu requirements for Waves SSL if I intended splashing that kind of $$$ around.

[Heinz Graaf]

I recently bought Waves SSL plugins and whoopsy daisy, those fine plugins do not work in Live. Well they do run in Live but after a few minutes I get crashes and cpu spikes..

That's like saying I bought a good quality lightweight suitcase recently, advertised as being easy to carry, yet my 4 year old daughter can hardly lift it. I don't know the details of your equipment, but I would've certainly checked out recommended cpu requirements for Waves SSL if I intended splashing that kind of $$$ around.

Whats that suppose to mean? It works in Cubase SX2.2 without crazy cpu spikes and system lock ups.

[evernaut]

I recently bought Waves SSL plugins and whoopsy daisy, those fine plugins do not work in Live. Well they do run in Live but after a few minutes I get crashes and cpu spikes..

That's like saying I bought a good quality lightweight suitcase recently, advertised as being easy to carry, yet my 4 year old daughter can hardly lift it. I don't know the details of your equipment, but I would've certainly checked out recommended cpu requirements for Waves SSL if I intended splashing that kind of $$$ around.

Whats that suppose to mean? It works in Cubase SX2.2 without crazy cpu spikes and system lock ups.

It means that, reading between the lines, you are using a computer that's ill-equipped to do what you're asking from Live 6 and the latest cpu-intensive vsts.. And the fact that you're using very old software ( Logic 5 and Cubase 2) seems to confirm it.

[Robert Henke]

And what about the other things I said? You cant argue with that. Live makes little tiny clips and ruins other clips. This IS the case as Im not the only one with those problems. Live is a bitch and you guys seems like Ableton groupies. And besides this type of thread comes from somewhere and keeps on living.. Coincidence?

Find a simple reproduceable scenario for this bug, send a step by step explanation of how to create those pesky little things to [email protected] and it will most likely be fixed in the next minor update. Are you sure you still get those with Live 6?

Robert

Those clips are sooo small. They are not visible when working with a normal zoom view. When zooming in, you see clips that doesnt grow bigger while zooming. Those clips cant be deleted and those clips do delete other clips that will touch it.
Those clips become present when deleting bars. WHen dividing audio clips by deleting bars you create these little clips. Bug is present in Live version 5 and in version 6

Well, I have seen those before, but what really would help us finding the cause is a reproduceable scenario. Something like: "here is a set, now make an edit at 23:23:23, select both clips and hit backspace. now, if you put in a new clip and try to extend its length over 23:23:23.this does not work". With such a bug report it would be possible for us to find out what goes on. Just stating that it happens sometimes is not so helpful, because as you could tell from the reaction of others here, this is not a bug that happens every time you make an edit, but only under very specific conditions we could not yet figure out.

Same goes for audio quality. Please re-read my first answers here. If you find some difference between Live and other DAWs that sums up to more than -120dB, tell us what you exactly did. If you find a differnence below that range, compare any other two hosts and be surprised what you might discover. As said before, we did those tests, and actually we did not do them by ourselfs, but had them done by some external folks who make their living of those things. So, i can just repeat what i allready said: a) Live performs not worse then the average competitor b) this will not keeping us from making it better, and results of this will be part of the next major release. and c) i bet it will not stop people complaining.

And i have some shockng news:

- mp3 sounds worse than Live
- each club sounds worse
- each home stereo
- CDs come with 96dB dynamic range
- vinly record players completly distroy the input signal.
- mobile phone speakes cut below 300 Hz
- speakers are nonlinear
- mic preamps distort
- air with a temperature below absolute zero intrduces varying latency and all sorts of comb filter / flanging effects.

making music under those conditions is pretty impossible.

Robert

[Heinz Graaf]

I dont know what else I can say really

a/ make clip
b/ divide clip by deleting bars
c/ delete divided clip
d/ there is the little fucker

i dont know if i have hit BACKSPACE or the euro sign inbetween. Live makes annoying clips and it does it often.