Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:52 pm
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Do any of you actually have any real musical talent?
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:57 pm
a Nord in a Norwegian glacier?glu wrote:truth is revealed to those who know where to look.Angstrom wrote:fnord
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:17 pm
Despite my friends telling me that my stuff is pretty good, I still think I suck at producing. But that´s ok, since it´s just a hobby. Sometimes though (very rarely) some musical idea just comes to me out of nowhere, more like a gift, like the "kiss of a muse" or something, that I don´t really connect to myself, that I can´t explain where it came from or how it came to me. These are the ideas I really think are good, and I hold them precious, even though I "made them".
It has been said here before, but after all it is about being happy. Just read recently that Kim Thayil (the guitarist of Soundgarden, one of my all time favourite bands) went back to painting houses after Soundgarden´s split, cause it was what he was doing before and what made him happy
It has been said here before, but after all it is about being happy. Just read recently that Kim Thayil (the guitarist of Soundgarden, one of my all time favourite bands) went back to painting houses after Soundgarden´s split, cause it was what he was doing before and what made him happy
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:24 pm
I LOVED TAD, back in the day. Long time since that name was uttered in my parts.Machinesworking wrote:Can't say I agree with this, though it's almost true. What I mean is I've personally known some amazingly talented musicians who either could never get their bands together enough to hire a good manager to sell them, or couldn't sell themselves to clubs etc. to make it anywhere. The few clubs they would play the mangers would say how much they loved the music, but it was all about who you fuck and who you do coke with in this town etc.dj superflat wrote:a but i've known few truly talented musicians who didn't obtain recognition on some fairly significant level, and almost all were able to make it their job.
The last part is a straight quote from a club owner about my band.
A drummer I played with for years.... he was on the first couple Tad records... easily the best drummer I ever played with. Well he wasn't so good at working with people, and became maniacally depressed when his super hot girlfriend grabbed their kid and left him, and now he's on disability for mental issues, and gets drunk on cheap beer.
The guy had more feel in his pinky than any of us here, I'm sure of that. He really should have been a session musician at least. Pretty fucked up, but hey, that's the music industry.
Tad, to me is an example of how the talent VS the machinery of the industry locks you out. The man is heavy, and so is his music, but in this time and place, fat ain't happening on MTV. You have to sell an image as well as a musical package.
Anyway I understand the sentiment of what you're saying, it's just in my experience it really takes more than talent to get anywhere in the music industry, it takes a lot of drive and a little luck as well.
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:28 pm
any luck with the skin flute?BLynx wrote:Well, I was told I have a lot of musical talent... I can read music and I've studied counterpoint and orchestration by myself. Plus, I can play pretty much every instrument I laid my hands on. I played violin on orchestras, sang on choirs and played guitar/bass/drums on rock bands. I can play the piano very well, and I used to be a top guitar player on my hometown... I'm pretty good with synths and I can easily program them.
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no offense intended, I could not resist the comment based on how you posted. just a joke......al the best
Re: Do any of you actually have any real musical talent?
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:30 pm
god, i hope not.aisling wrote: do you actually add something to pop culture
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:52 pm
kim going back to painting houses doesn't surprise me. i hated being a working musician, despite success, being able to pay bills (signed to majors twice, been on MTV, etc.). mostly, was bored out of my skull touring. oh goody! another tuesday nite show in oklahoma city or el paso or wherever, with the same guys you've known for years, playing the same songs you've been playing to support the record that came out 1.5 years ago, etc. also just didn't find alt rock that creative.
don't get me wrong. some love that. i hated it, much happier being a suit. and many, many touring musicians feel the same. we have objective evidence being a rock star (or movie star or just really, really rich) doesn't make people any happier or cure whatever demons people had going in (the list of rock musicians i've known who are now dead is very, very long).
as for minor threat not making bills, the recognition is more than enough for most (ian's got fugazi, brian's got bad religion now, so they're doing OK). few people get to play music forever (unless it's at the county fair), most musicians ultimately drift into management or production or something related, but you don't have that many touring 45 year olds (because that's somewhat silly for certain types of music (hardcore, whatever)). so real recognition, having been in a seminal band, is about as good as it gets unless you become real rock royalty and get to keep playing to full houses until you're 60.
don't get me wrong. some love that. i hated it, much happier being a suit. and many, many touring musicians feel the same. we have objective evidence being a rock star (or movie star or just really, really rich) doesn't make people any happier or cure whatever demons people had going in (the list of rock musicians i've known who are now dead is very, very long).
as for minor threat not making bills, the recognition is more than enough for most (ian's got fugazi, brian's got bad religion now, so they're doing OK). few people get to play music forever (unless it's at the county fair), most musicians ultimately drift into management or production or something related, but you don't have that many touring 45 year olds (because that's somewhat silly for certain types of music (hardcore, whatever)). so real recognition, having been in a seminal band, is about as good as it gets unless you become real rock royalty and get to keep playing to full houses until you're 60.
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:57 pm
I had to google it to know what the hell it was... hahahhahaaisling wrote:any luck with the skin flute?BLynx wrote:Well, I was told I have a lot of musical talent... I can read music and I've studied counterpoint and orchestration by myself. Plus, I can play pretty much every instrument I laid my hands on. I played violin on orchestras, sang on choirs and played guitar/bass/drums on rock bands. I can play the piano very well, and I used to be a top guitar player on my hometown... I'm pretty good with synths and I can easily program them.
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no offense intended, I could not resist the comment based on how you posted. just a joke......al the best
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:01 am
Talent? Who cares. I think originality counts in this game. Be unique, be different.
Some of the music links I've heard on the forum are indeed nicely produced but in my opinion sound like shit because it's all same old, same old.
I suppose if you have originality,talent and experience you're on a winner.
Some of the music links I've heard on the forum are indeed nicely produced but in my opinion sound like shit because it's all same old, same old.
I suppose if you have originality,talent and experience you're on a winner.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:26 am
In short - No, I don't think so!
But then again, talent doesn't interest me in itself... It's how you deal with the ideas, or feelings even, in your mind...
Best
-j
But then again, talent doesn't interest me in itself... It's how you deal with the ideas, or feelings even, in your mind...
Best
-j
Re: Do any of you actually have any real musical talent?
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:10 pm
http://cdbaby.com/cd/hiddendrivewaysaisling wrote:SO I ask you in return, do you think in the long run you have any real talent?
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:17 pm
Yeah I also absolutely loved TAD. Remember going to see them when they toured the UK. I still have all the records. Guy was so big he could only hang the guitar off one shoulder ! Way before Nirvana had hit major success, they pioneered that rreally massive bass and drum heavy chugging sound which arguably was a major influence on the Nevermind album. All I know is I was in a band at 16, and we just wanted to sound like TAD so badly.. the bassist went out and bought a massive amp and cab (big Fender thing 5" tall by 4" wide) just to get the rythmn as fat as TAD.aisling wrote:Machinesworking wrote:I LOVED TAD, back in the day. Long time since that name was uttered in my parts.dj superflat wrote: Tad, to me is an example of how the talent VS the machinery of the industry locks you out. The man is heavy, and so is his music, but in this time and place, fat ain't happening on MTV. You have to sell an image as well as a musical package.
Anyway I understand the sentiment of what you're saying, it's just in my experience it really takes more than talent to get anywhere in the music industry, it takes a lot of drive and a little luck as well.
Sorry had to chip in with that.. not really relevant to the post !!
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:35 pm
Making a contribution is a Chicken and Egg question. Do I set out to make a mark, or do I wake up one day and find that I have? Was it manufactured or did it evolve?
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:43 pm
It seems that in the end, that defining our 'success' is the question that needs the answer. It also seems to me that in general (I know there will be exceptions) that success is NOT related to your core talent, or your opinions about your talents. Its often related to other things. For instance, you might be a talented wizz at something, but the reason you don't get hired is because your a dick! The other guy gets the job not on the strength of his core talent but on the whole package. He's just a nice guy... better to have him on our team. Often success is about being talented at many things at once, its just that it's often only one thing that takes the lime light.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:30 pm
Yes, I have musical talent.