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Tone Deft wrote: the company that he's used to keeping are 'whiter' than anyone on this forum.

I'm from denmark. We don't come whiter

Tone Deft wrote:
at least he's no Romney, holy wonder bread.

he looks like a Ken Doll

McCain looks like he's going to fall over (his wife is a hot cougar though)

Obama looks good, speaks well etc

Hillary's butt is huge but she looks sharp though

...and that's my hollywood spin on the 2008 election

dcease wrote:they all suck-past, present, future. they don't care about you. but i do. vote for me.

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I definitley agree with the present!

not another Texan (JJ)

(lived in Houston and Dallas for 15 yrs(almost half my life))

Great state; unfortunate for the whacked, right wing, cowboy, oil and power hungry, conservative politicians)

unfortunately, I think we are going to have another war hungry republican in the office.

Voting Restrictions for People with Felony Convictions
statisticly speaking about who's in jail, most of these people are non-violent marijuana smokers.

no restrictions
Maine
Vermont

cannot vote while incarcerated
Hawaii
Indiana
Illinois
Massachusetts
Michigan
Montana
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Ohio
Oregon
South Dakota
Utah

cannot vote while incarcerated or on parole
Alaska
California
Colorado
Connecticut
New York Wisconsin

cannot vote until completion of sentence
Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Kansas
Louisiana
Minnesota
Missouri
New Jersey
New Mexico
North Carolina
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Carolina
Texas
West Virginia

lifetime bar for some or all crimes
Delaware
Kentucky
Maryland
Mississippi
Tennessee

The land of the Free?

Ever since i visited the UK in '88 I've always wanted to reside there.
If I ever find a company to sponsor me I would so make the move.
Any UK ladies looking for a mail-order husband?

You forgot Washington State

you can't vote for 7 years after being convicted of a felony

even then you have to manually get your voting rights back

of the few homies I kick it with on a regular basis only 2 of them can vote

smutek wrote:A decision to boycott an election is quite different than saying "oh my vote isn't heard" or not voting out of laziness. It's a conscious decision and one that takes more courage, thought and genuine insight than just voting for "whoever the dems throw up" IMHO.

If it came down to it and I had my choice of Hitler, Stalin or Musolini I'd rather say that I choose none. An extreme example yes, but an example nonetheless.

I had that viewpoint last general election and it was the only presidential election I didn't participate. And here we are now Bush is in office who won by a razor thin margin. Where did that viewpoint get me...nowhere. Man was I wrong.

You're damn straight I'm voting this time! And in the primaries too! I even changed my party just so that I could vote in the primaries.

In Belgium you gotta lose your citizenship to get out of voting duty.
I'm starting to feel like Borat... "In my country...."

"some voters will deliberately spoil their ballot paper to show disapproval of the candidates available whilst still taking part in the electoral process"

Not uncommon over here. Though it has the same effects as not voting.
So its more of a statement of ignorance.
They teach this crap in 1st grade...

Sociologist say that the happiest people in the world are in Denmark

I assume Belgium's close to denmark - my geography is horrible

I thought New England was a State and thought Scotland was somewher else other than where it actually is


but I agree, just cause you don't want to play doesn't mean you have to spoil for the kids who do want to play

smutek wrote: Yeah, it is a drag. The difference would be saying "fuck you" to someone while you are alone at your house or going over to their place and saying it to their face.

Sometimes saying "Fuck You" to somebody's face has the effect of validating their actions. The best way to express disgust is to ignore them.

"some voters will deliberately spoil their ballot paper to show disapproval of the candidates available whilst still taking part in the electoral process"

But that is my point. I have no wish to take part in the electoral process because it has become so grossly distorted and no longer serves the people it was set up to serve. It has been bought, lock, stock and barrel by the oil and pharmaceutical and tobacco and armaments companies and exists to keep us powerless and docile with the illusion of participatory democracy.

You think the bullshit which passes for democracy today is the ideal that the likes of Emily Davison and Emmeline Pankhurst fought for back in the day?

From some of the comments on here it is clear what an effective con-job has been perpetrated. Tone Deft and others obviously sincerely believe that their little X on their Diebold touchscreen is going to make a difference to how their country is run and nothing anybody says will convince them otherwise.

No matter who wins, you can guarantee that six months after the election they'll all be here going:

"I feel so cheated! I voted for Obama/Clinton/McCain/Romney because they said they'd do X, Y and Z, but they've done none of it, we're still in Iraq and my taxes just went up again."

Because that's what happens every time. They get into office, they do none of the things they promised, they get into sordid dealings with the Saudi royal family and, later on, make a fortune from directorships and book tours.

Every election you all go off to vote, convinced it'll all be different if only so-and-so gets in - and they always turn out to be lying, self-enriching cunts.

Blair, Bush, Putin, Berlusconi, Aznar, Sarkozy, Thatcher, Reagan, Clinton, Nixon etc etc etc...



I've heard that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.

Keep voting. Keep getting shafted. Maintain the status quo and hope that some enlightened generation years down the line will sort it out.

Sometimes the best course of action is inaction.

djadonis206 wrote:Sociologist say that the happiest people in the world are in Denmark

I assume Belgium's close to denmark - my geography is horrible

I thought New England was a State and thought Scotland was somewher else other than where it actually is


but I agree, just cause you don't want to play doesn't mean you have to spoil for the kids who do want to play

yes belgium is very close

and thought Scotland was somewher else other than where it actually is

Well its a common problem. It keeps running off everywhere, just won't stay on the same spot man. Thats why we suck at geography over here. A bit like you'r miss america who wants more maps (can't really remember the incident )

We are in general happy, but i just don't have enough in one culture. I travelled too much allready and i don't like staying on the same place too long now. One day eventually i'd like to try to move to another country, but of course that will be after university and such. I hope the education i'm taking is international enough

popslut wrote:

smutek wrote: Yeah, it is a drag. The difference would be saying "fuck you" to someone while you are alone at your house or going over to their place and saying it to their face.

Sometimes saying "Fuck You" to somebody's face has the effect of validating their actions. The best way to express disgust is to ignore them.

"some voters will deliberately spoil their ballot paper to show disapproval of the candidates available whilst still taking part in the electoral process"

But that is my point. I have no wish to take part in the electoral process because it has become so grossly distorted and no longer serves the people it was set up to serve. It has been bought, lock, stock and barrel by the oil and pharmaceutical and tobacco and armaments companies and exists to keep us powerless and docile with the illusion of participatory democracy.

You think the bullshit which passes for democracy today is the ideal that the likes of Emily Davison and Emmeline Pankhurst fought for back in the day?

From some of the comments on here it is clear what an effective con-job has been perpetrated. Tone Deft and others obviously sincerely believe that their little X on their Diebold touchscreen is going to make a difference to how their country is run and nothing anybody says will convince them otherwise.

No matter who wins, you can guarantee that six months after the election they'll all be here going:

"I feel so cheated! I voted for Obama/Clinton/McCain/Romney because they said they'd do X, Y and Z, but they've done none of it, we're still in Iraq and my taxes just went up again."

Because that's what happens every time. They get into office, they do none of the things they promised, they get into sordid dealings with the Saudi royal family and, later on, make a fortune from directorships and book tours.

Every election you all go off to vote, convinced it'll all be different if only so-and-so gets in - and they always turn out to be lying, self-enriching cunts.

Blair, Bush, Putin, Berlusconi, Aznar, Sarkozy, Thatcher, Reagan, Clinton, Nixon etc etc etc...



I've heard that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.

Keep voting. Keep getting shafted. Maintain the status quo and hope that some enlightened generation years down the line will sort it out.

Sometimes the best course of action is inaction.

^ respect ^

popslut wrote:But that is my point. I have no wish to take part in the electoral process because it has become so grossly distorted and no longer serves the people it was set up to serve. It has been bought, lock, stock and barrel by the oil and pharmaceutical and tobacco and armaments companies and exists to keep us powerless and docile with the illusion of participatory democracy.

have you EVER been a US citizen? you're not one now, that's for sure but you're trying to play yourself off as one? whatever...

From some of the comments on here it is clear what an effective con-job has been perpetrated. Tone Deft and others obviously sincerely believe that their little X on their Diebold touchscreen is going to make a difference to how their country is run and nothing anybody says will convince them otherwise.

what a stupid thing to say. but somehow not voting is better than using a black box to vote? that's just dumb. you'd rather curl up and hide than put your voice out there (again, you're not a US citizen, so stfu.) you're just letting them win, whining and running. oh, but you've never voted in a US election and you're not welcome to do so.

No matter who wins, you can guarantee that six months after the election they'll all be here going:

"I feel so cheated! I voted for Obama/Clinton/McCain/Romney because they said they'd do X, Y and Z, but they've done none of it, we're still in Iraq and my taxes just went up again."

Because that's what happens every time. They get into office, they do none of the things they promised, they get into sordid dealings with the Saudi royal family and, later on, make a fortune from directorships and book tours.

Every election you all go off to vote, convinced it'll all be different if only so-and-so gets in - and they always turn out to be lying, self-enriching cunts.

what an arrogant prick. you're putting words in my mouth that I do not say. I have said that even when 'your guy' gets into office stuff happens you don't agree with. I've never been in denial that shady stuff happens all the time. this is more bullshit lies you're spouting, putting words in other peoples' mouths to support your own hollow point. the ol' straw man bullshit tactic.

Blair, Bush, Putin, Berlusconi, Aznar, Sarkozy, Thatcher, Reagan, Clinton, Nixon etc etc etc...

Clinton was a good president. enough with the fucking whining already, yes politics are shady, change your diaper and grow up.

Keep voting. Keep getting shafted. Maintain the status quo and hope that some enlightened generation years down the line will sort it out.

you've already given up. are you really so clueless as to look at a candidate like Romney and then look at Clinton and think there's no difference? that's really really ignorant. you're giving into the very powers you're complaining about, somehow not voting is going to make a difference?

Sometimes the best course of action is inaction.

and this is not one of those situations. not voting is simply stupid, that's not how things get done. you're just rolling over and playing dead, letting yourself get played. it's completely ass backwards but you somehow think it's clever. you're letting them win, you're letting them have the country.

what you don't get in this insipid little stand you're taking is that not voting is the absolute sure fire way to make sure that things don't change, that you'll get walked all over and the politicians don't change. you have such a childish view of politics it's really incredible.

anyway, you're not even a US citizen, so, seriously stfu and stop playing make believe, you're a poser. why don't you look into your own backyard? you're always very anti-US.

I don't get how not voting is going to change anything, it's rolling over and letting the people who have pissed you off win.

look, voting is an incredible right that we have, giving it up is giving up your voice.

again, I'm amazed that some ex-Brit living in Spain can be so arrogant.

this is crazy.

if you don't vote who will notice? I'm really not getting how not voting will change a thing. you'll be ignored and the people who vote and the lobbyists will still have a say.

absolute nonsense and it's a serious topic, we NEED pissed off people to vote.

Tone Deft wrote:
I don't get how not voting is going to change anything, it's rolling over and letting the people who have pissed you off win.

You don't have to "get" it. All you have to do is accept that another person may have different beliefs.

Regardless of whether you understand it or not, a fully conscious decision to not take part in the ballot is a statement in and of itself. When I say fully conscious I am not talking about someone with absolutely no understanding of the political process saying "ahh fuck it, my vote don't make no difference no way". And like it or not, a decision to boycott an election is a form of protest. Futile perhaps, but a form of protest nonetheless.

I'm honestly surprised that you can't see that. I'm also surprised that you would call his ideology childish.

Maybe I've given you too much credit, I don't know.

And PS - I am not arguing that this is necessarily the best course of action, because as I have said before my mind is not made up with regards to whether I will participate or not, what I am arguing is that it is a valid form of protest.

well there's a record number of people throughout the US showing up for Super Tuesday in their respective states.

Hey, I think the OP has stated several times it's ok if you don't want to vote - that's your business

however, you guys keep banging on your theories as to why you're not voting, we get it, more power to you.

at the end of the day you have to live with the decisions you make yourself.

strange.

well, if you don't vote you have no right to complain a year from now.

it's a protest that nobody will notice.

it's frustrating because there's a shamefully low voter turnout as it is, that sucks.

whatever, people eat blood sausage and watch really bad reality TV.

congrats on doing "the man's" work, he's glad you're not voting.

smutek we need people like you to vote.

popslut can't vote, he just has outsider opinions.