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I dont think obama will change anything, is he going to stop the Federal reserve to loan money to the goverment ? now people feel happy, they have their "change"

look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVKSfwfy0h8

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez5robAW ... re=related

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOhk0JeoZtE

Thanks for letting us know how you feel. Now that the election is over you'll have more time to tweak ron paul's knob. Enjoy.

i just want you to know something else ;D

Maybe next time

Darn! He has such a good chance of winning too.....

the_planet wrote:

Anyone who called for the dismantling of the Federal Reserve system will never even sniff the oval office. Al Sharpton has better chances.

dysanfel wrote:Anyone who called for the dismantling of the Federal Reserve system will never even sniff the oval office. Al Sharpton has better chances.

its too bad too, because we desperately need a new basis for our currency rather than arbitrary debt owed to organizations that create artificial wealth.

forge wrote:

the_planet wrote:

haha , you laugh, but that is what you the people of the united stated look like now. yo've been cheated on your face.

Ron Paul is mixed bag. He wanted to build a wall between the US and Mexico..... which is retarded beyond belief, but he also really wanted to change out horribly invasive foreign policies, which is great.

I've often thought that if Paul and Nader etc. could concentrate on their similarities and realize that some of their differences are not important (barring a major change, abortion is a judicial issue), but that will probably never happen.

Machinesworking wrote:Ron Paul is mixed bag. He wanted to build a wall between the US and Mexico..... which is retarded beyond belief, but he also really wanted to change out horribly invasive foreign policies, which is great.

I've often thought that if Paul and Nader etc. could concentrate on their similarities and realize that some of their differences are not important (barring a major change, abortion is a judicial issue), but that will probably never happen.

Paul did say he changed his mind about the wall and would vote differently. He also very astutely connected NAFTA and its destruction of the Mexican economy to the increased 'illegal' influx across the border and said repealing NAFTA is critical to solving the 'problem'.

Dr. Paul also said he would release all non violent drug offenders from prison, immediately repeal the Patriot Act, stop government spying, bring all the troops home, close most US military bases around the world...

Of course people call these sorts of ideas radical, but they are really just intelligent responses to insane situations.

I have disagreements with Paul, but he is such a breath of fresh air. I am sure he could work with Nader, cause Paul said he would consider Kucinich as his VP (Kucinich said the same thing about Paul)

deva wrote: I have disagreements with Paul, but he is such a breath of fresh air. I am sure he could work with Nader, cause Paul said he would consider Kucinich as his VP (Kucinich said the same thing about Paul)

Then why don't they? that's my question? Everybody accepts these people with strong ties to large corporate interests and the status quo. They accept that their choice in politics will be somewhat wolfish 'because the other side is' and they decry their own supposed side (conservative/liberal), yet Nader and Paul have more in common with each other than they do with the dem/rep BS...... blah, it's probably that they worry the reactionaries in their own camps will squeal too loudly..... Watching the third party debates, barring some silly isolationist stuff from the Constitution party and abortion, again, they agreed more than they disagreed.
Get the anti authoritarian, anti foreign intervention sides to play nice and real change would happen.

deva wrote:Dr. Paul also said he would release all non violent drug offenders from prison, immediately repeal the Patriot Act, stop government spying, bring all the troops home, close most US military bases around the world...

Of course people call these sorts of ideas radical, but they are really just intelligent responses to insane situations.

Intelligence is radical in a democracy...

the_planet wrote:

this picture makes me cry. The one man who could have actually made HUGE change to america and the world, was forgotten in exchange for a man filled with empty rhetoric and cheap catch phrases. A sad day for the USA. but the rest of you obama supporters can now continue down your empty track of believes, yes we cans and change without having a clue what any of that even means. Well done you calamitous bunch of dung beards.