Frequency Specific Sidechaining--Kick Reduces Bass's 50hz

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cabletone
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Frequency Specific Sidechaining--Kick Reduces Bass's 50hz

Post by cabletone » Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:29 pm

I want to take sidechaining a step further than volume reduction--I want to reduce a certain frequency when the key input hits.

In other words, with a key input, such as a kick drum, I want to reduce the volume of certain frequency range in the target track such as bass.

So Track A has a kick, track B has a bass. Whenever the kick hits, a narrow frequency range around 50hz is reduced in the bassline. Is this possible with live's effects?

I have tried to use Auto Filter however, it works in the opposite way I need it to. With Auto Filter, (I think) it is only possible to have the bassline filtered by default, and when the kick hits it becomes unfiltered, until the filter's release.

Please tell me, is this possible with Live's effects (or 3rd party?)
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Post by re.mark » Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:30 pm

what kind of frequency pass were you using in autofilter?

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Post by cabletone » Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:56 pm

I was using the notch filter (V shape.)

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Post by SimonPHC » Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:15 am

Racks could help you.

Divide the spectrum in different chains using EQ8 and apply more or less side chain on each one...

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Post by bensuthers » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:12 am

this is basically a silly idea.

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Post by cacti » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:28 am

bensuthers wrote:this is basically a silly idea.
why is that?

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Post by misteron » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:59 am

cacti wrote:
bensuthers wrote:this is basically a silly idea.
why is that?
i'm also curious.
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Post by Parametex » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:13 am

The idea is not silly, far from it, it's actually pretty pro.

You can do it with Live (racks: band splitting and side-chaining) for sure but it might not be very elegant. The cross-over splitting never sounded very good to me in live ... maybe somebody has found a way to do it properly?

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Re: Frequency Specific Sidechaining--Kick Reduces Bass's 50h

Post by Chang » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:26 am

cabletone wrote:I want to take sidechaining a step further than volume reduction--I want to reduce a certain frequency when the key input hits.

(or 3rd party?)

This might work as it has separate eq zones that effect signal like a multiband but different.


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To people saying why stupid idea. Maybe because you could just run an automated eq after your side chain and get the exact effect your looking for. Just get your side chain close to what you want and then automate separate eq after compressor and automate freq you dontt want out for a millisecond every time your trigger hits. This will do exactly what you describe.

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Post by kaffein » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:49 am

You could simply finish a track, go to the kick drum envelope editor and scoop out 32 notes worth of ducking for each kick drum hit. Copy and paste the entire tracks new envelope to the bass track for whatever effect you want to control. (filter amount)

It's not as nice as doing this automatically, but it works... If the kick is 4 on the floor, it would be painstakingly easy.

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