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I'm looking into getting some inexpensive monitors (probably the KRK RP5 or 6). I don't have any kind of mixer or board of any kind, just my BCR200. Can I just plug the audio out from my computer (little mini phono plug) directly into these monitors, or do I need some type of mixer in between?

If the speakers are self powered and don't require an amp, then sure.
However, you would be much better off getting your self a USB or Fire Wire sound card.
Using the built in sound card on your lap top can lead to all kinds of noise and cross talk problems.

Homebelly wrote:If the speakers are self powered and don't require an amp, then sure.
However, you would be much better off getting your self a USB or Fire Wire sound card.
Using the built in sound card on your lap top can lead to all kinds of noise and cross talk problems.

Even on a Mac? Right now I have a Powerbook, but I will soon be getting a new iMac.

rbro wrote:

Homebelly wrote:If the speakers are self powered and don't require an amp, then sure.
However, you would be much better off getting your self a USB or Fire Wire sound card.
Using the built in sound card on your lap top can lead to all kinds of noise and cross talk problems.

Even on a Mac? Right now I have a Powerbook, but I will soon be getting a new iMac.

I've used the internal soundcard of my laptop (hp) to play live. But for studio monitoring I wouldn't say the internal card is sufficient - even on an iMac. Decent monitors - like the ones you're suggesting - deserve a better audio interface.

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My KRKs are always plugged into an audio interface of some sort,

the_planet wrote:My KRKs are always plugged into an audio interface of some sort,

So like what for example? Hopefully not too pricey.....

I've got an M-Audio Fasttrack. Is something like that suffiicient? Better to go through that than directly through the Mac's internal soundcard?

The KRK's are powered so you don't need an audio interface. All you need is an RCA to minijack adapter, which you can buy from any electronics store for a few dollars.



I'm not a professional by any stretch of the imagination, but I've been using the built in audio on my desktop (G5 powermac) for years now, used to use the built in on my powerbook as well, and many moons before that used the built in on my old graphite G3 imac.

Don't sweat it man, if you want to buy an audio interface than go for it, but you don't need it.

smutek wrote: Don't sweat it man, if you want to buy an audio interface than go for it, but you don't need it.

OK, I thought so. So what is the advantage to using some additional audio interface and why use one?

Well, for one you can get more in's and outs, different types of ins and outs (1/4 inch XLR, midi,etc.) sometimes better latency (depending on the card), and more stuff that is not offered by a simple minijack connector.

As an example, I used to have a couple of hardware synths, that was when I needed a card because I needed to send midi out to the synths, and audio back into Live.

There are other things that I am sure more knowledgeable folk around here could tell you about better than I can.

But in my humble experience you will get on just fine with the built in audio on your macs. Then you can worry about investing in new equipment only when you need it.

rbro wrote:

Homebelly wrote:If the speakers are self powered and don't require an amp, then sure.
However, you would be much better off getting your self a USB or Fire Wire sound card.
Using the built in sound card on your lap top can lead to all kinds of noise and cross talk problems.

Even on a Mac? Right now I have a Powerbook, but I will soon be getting a new iMac.

You will be SHOCKED how much better even the crappiest USB / FireWire Soundcard will sound in comparison with the build in output. Even on something like a MacBookPro.

Robert

Robert Henke wrote:

rbro wrote:

Homebelly wrote:If the speakers are self powered and don't require an amp, then sure.
However, you would be much better off getting your self a USB or Fire Wire sound card.
Using the built in sound card on your lap top can lead to all kinds of noise and cross talk problems.

Even on a Mac? Right now I have a Powerbook, but I will soon be getting a new iMac.

You will be SHOCKED how much better even the crappiest USB / FireWire Soundcard will sound in comparison with the build in output. Even on something like a MacBookPro.

Robert

Alrighty then. Well I can certainly try my crappy M-Audio Fasttrack USB and see how that sounds.

I think that depends on your ears though?

I mean, seriously, some of you guys can listen to a studio recording and pick up on the frequencies of a snail taking a dump 6 miles away from where the recording was made...

Other than loudness I don't hear much difference, but again, I'm not an audio guy, I'm just a hobbyist.

This discussion all comes back to SNR. Computers have a ton of circuits in them which aren't always clean. Leakage is a very common problem in all motherboards these days. This noise easily leaks out into the motherboard's on board soundcard. External sound cards are can provide a much clearer representation of sound. If you're on a budget start with the onboard card and save up for an external. You'll see the difference in no time.

Robert Henke wrote:You will be SHOCKED how much better even the crappiest USB / FireWire Soundcard will sound in comparison with the build in output. Even on something like a MacBookPro.

Robert

I would say *especially* on a laptop with all the typical buzz and crap you usually got on laptop headphone outputs.

Khazul wrote:

Robert Henke wrote:You will be SHOCKED how much better even the crappiest USB / FireWire Soundcard will sound in comparison with the build in output. Even on something like a MacBookPro.

Robert

I would say *especially* on a laptop with all the typical buzz and crap you usually got on laptop headphone outputs.

OK, any recommendations for an upgrade to my M-Audio Fasttrack? Preferably in the under $300 range?