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Suppose I have a rock band: Bass, drums, guitar, vocals.

Even something like "bass" could be 2 mics and a DI all blended together for the sound I want. Then I group everything into "stems", or submixes: Bass, Drums, Guitar, Vocals. When I'm mixing I don't want to mess with the balances but adjust the whole subgroup, so If all subgroups are collapsed, the Mackie control should only show the 4 faders of my stems.

But it doesn't the faders stay up, so

1: The display is inconsistent with what the motor faders show.
2: It's easy to accidentaly change a level with a fader in a collapsed group, and not see what you're doing.
3: It's hard to select the group fader, the easiest way is to select it with the mouse, then flip fader banks to see which channel is selected. but it shouldn't be like that.

The crashes are fixed in b3 fella.
The way it keeps faders on the hardware when they have disappeared on the screen because groups are collapsed is very un-intuitive, and confusing.

there's a rumour of this being changed so it is not confusing.
IE - folded tracks are no longer controlled.
Amo mentioned it I think.

you'll have to wait and see what happens though. They'll be tinkering with it

Couldn't find that anywhere - would be really good, I took a song and grouped it into 4 grouptracks, but then to change the levels you I have to press bank select on the BCF/Mackie 4 times! and it's quite confusing to find the fader.

Also with the upcoming APC40, people performing Live will want to buss all their drums etc. together to keep it simple (personally I would keep it to 8 groups maximum) so the faders that are not shown should really be taken off the control surface.

djsynchro wrote:Couldn't find that anywhere - would be really good, I took a song and grouped it into 4 grouptracks, but then to change the levels you I have to press bank select on the BCF/Mackie 4 times! and it's quite confusing to find the fader.

Hmm, I just looked too and couldn't find it either, so er, perhaps it was a dream I had. Or more likely it's just lost in a big thread about something completely different.

I'm still pretty sure I read a post saying that they were working on it, but I'm becoming less sure all the time !

Heh...

Any news on this one? The APC40 would greatly benefit from faders taken off the hardware conroller so what you see is what you get faderwise, the abilty to control "drums" with 1 fader while it's really 6 tracks folded, great for gigs.

Hi guys,

djsynchro wrote:what you see is what you get faderwise.

This is what we are aiming for, so no worries.
Just be patient

cheers,
Jan

Thanx for the feedback Jan I was going nuts!, I'll stop whining and go hunting for other irregularities!

jab wrote: This is what we are aiming for, so no worries.
Just be patient

cheers,
Jan

Would this also address the same thing happening on an SL and Euphonix?

Thanks

Hd

Hi,

This is now fixed, in b16. Please open a new thread if something else is not working for you.

Regards,
Amaury