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RE/ Official Coupon Statement
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:51 pm
by skipkent
Even with the coupon, in my opinion, the price of the latest upgrade is ridiculously high. I'm a happy Live 6 user, but I will NOT be purchasing this.
$150 from Live 6 to 7? $250 from Live 6 to Live 8?
This means, at the very least, that you expect owners of the FULL VERSION of your software to shell out at least $150 per version.
This, to me, is extremely unreasonable. No other DAW software I know of charges this sort of price for an upgrade. Pro Tools is generally $75, which I still think is high, but reasonable.
I'm more than happy to support the software! I'm NOT happy to be shorn as a sheep, however. I'm a customer, and a supportive one, but I feel now that I am being treated as nothing more than another 'revenue stream' by Ableton execs.
I will remain a Live 6 user but will no longer recommend your product to others. Treating each upgrade as a 'new product' that must be paid for all over again, almost in full. is very much not to my liking.
I cannot support that behaviour in any way. Others don't seem to mind, so to them and you I say cheers and good luck. I'm done.
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:18 pm
by Surreal
ridiculously high?
Not to brown nose...but 150 isnt so bad. i happily paid 200 to update logic. the only problem i see is that ableton have a few products and buying all of them IS an expensive prospect.
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:32 pm
by beats me
Oh nooooos. $150 a year! Somebody call Obama or your country's equivalent!!!
Re: RE/ Official Coupon Statement
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:37 pm
by dcease
skipkent wrote:No other DAW software I know of charges this sort of price for an upgrade. Pro Tools is generally $75, which I still think is high, but reasonable.
bullshit.
ptle7.x to ptle 7.3-75 bucks. ptle 7.x-ptle 8.x-150 bucks. much higher for hd owners, not to mention ~$300 apiece for the instruments, and $400 to be able to get a couple extra plugs, and 64 tracks. wanna work with video? that'll be $1300, thank you. and the hardware, which the software is pointless without, and a dongle for any extras... thousands of dollars for the whole pt experience, AND you get charged for point updates. boring as fuck to write tunes with. etc. etc. etc.
skipkent wrote: I'm done.
buh-bye. your rant was lame.
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:39 pm
by n0nce
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:28 pm
by krachtwerk
you're a big boy man.. pff
act more grown up.. please..
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:02 pm
by skipkent
Thanks for chiming in, 'stupid fuck' and all!
If the upgrade was $150 I wouldn't have written this. That's what it was for 7, I don't see the reasoning for 8 being $250. It seems arbitrary to me and that's what I really don't like. They're asking whatever they think they can get away with. After finally putting in some long-requested changes into the program, they think they've got a 'must buy' for existing users.
If the $250 upgrade came with all their bells and whistles, fine, but it doesn't. Instead, each bell and whistle costs another $150.
They're well within their rights to do this, and clearly it's not an issue for most. It is for me. I'm done. Party on!
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:22 pm
by bytheriver
Yeah I can see where your coming from, 6-8 is pretty steep really when you consider the 'new' non-upgrade also gets you opperator and drum machines.
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:29 pm
by jonny72
Still, you'll be getting it cheaper than the Live 6 to Live 7 and Live 7 to Live 8 upgrades would have cost you together.
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:37 pm
by McQ714
Ableton will gladly get my money for the upgrade. i won't call you a stupid fuck, but i will say that Ableton, unlike PT would never charge us for an upgrade from 8 to 8.5... at least i hope they wouldn't!!! or 8 to 8.3, 8.4, whatever. i can't say the same for PT. but what i do find strange is that for me to upgrade my old live 6 le and live lite 6 licenses to live 7 suite boxed is $659 and to upgrade that same license to live 8 suite boxed is only $519.
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:55 pm
by gjm
McQ714 wrote:... but what i do find strange is that for me to upgrade my old live 6 le and live lite 6 licenses to live 7 suite boxed is $659 and to upgrade that same license to live 8 suite boxed is only $519.
Agreed, the lite, and especially the LE thing is strange.
Maybe I misunderstand your statement, if you upgrade 6 lite or LE to 7 suite its $659 boxed, $559 DL'd. Then you get a free upgrade (download) to 8 suite.
Where does the $519 come from?
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:33 am
by catalyst
I think the general Ableton upgrade prices are OK.. what I don't understand are how they come up with the some of the discount calculations. Real life example -
My buddy, he owns Live 7 and no other Ableton products. He can upgrade to Live 8 Suite for 299 Euros.
I on the other hand, own Live 7 plus 2 instruments - Operator and Sampler. I have invested 258 Euros more in Live than my buddy above.. but my upgrade cost to Live 8 Suite is only a *measly* 40 Euros less.. that's a HUGE 20 Euros discount per purchase of a 129 Euro instrument. Somehow that just doesn't seem a fair or reasonable reward for having been a loyal customer ?
Or am I just a stereotypically miserly Scotsman ? Bah
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:52 am
by starving student
the fact of the matter is that we are all going to die. buy what you want if it makes you happy, you can't really put a price on happiness now can you? I'm not saying spend any amount of money on anything I'm saying base your choices on what your budget is instead of a static value number.
but what do I know I'm starving
Re: RE/ Official Coupon Statement
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:55 am
by stringtapper
skipkent wrote:I cannot support that behaviour in any way. Others don't seem to mind, so to them and you I say cheers and good luck. I'm done.
peace out
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:59 am
by pulsoc
Did you see what you get for that $150 from digi?
"Pro Tools 8 comes packed with a huge, comprehensive collection of music creation and sound processing plug-ins, giving you a well-stocked studio right out of the box. Create and play music with groundbreaking new virtual instruments, including the Mini Grand piano, Boom drum machine, DB-33 tonewheel organ, as well as the Vacuum and Xpand!2 synths. Dial-up awesome guitar tone with DigiDesign's Eleven Free plug-in and SansAmp. Add character to tracks with 20 new AIR effects. Make music with over 9 GB of high-quality loops. And with dozens of professional sound processing plug-ins and tools at your disposal, you can fix, enhance, and polish your mixes with ease."
You would need to shell out hundreds more for that functionality with Live.
You brainless dolt.