Shifting to LINUX, leaving ableton live....

[rsaulo]

First at all, let me explain my points :

- 99% all time LINUX user (Other 1% is because LIVE on WIN XP)
- Does not want to spend $400 on software that does not run on my prefered OS, I prefer spend this money in HARDWARE like MIDI controllers, Audio interfaces, etc
- Does not want to spend $2000+ on an Mac if I can buy an DELL for the half price with the same hardware specs
- Ableton does not make an signal to deliver an Linux version of LIVE soon
- Ableton Live 8 does not brings much new things important to me at the moment

Said that, after 6 months of tests and software/hardware choices, I go with the following digital DAW/DJ configuration :

- A DELL notebook
- Ubuntu Studio Intrepid (8.10)
- For DAW - Renoise (US $65.96)
- For Mixing - MixVibes CROSS (USD 219.00, available to linux soon, I can wait a little and have tested on WINXP and OSX, a very good software)...)
- All work perfectly on my linux box with my midi controller and usb audio interface

here in Brazil I see many people shifting to linux, abes need to look at linux seriously or maybe loose an important market.

Only one thing more :

LINUX IS NOT FOR ONLY OSS SOFTWARE, LINUX USERS ARE COMPROMISED TO PAY FOR AN SOFTWARE PACKAGE THAT DO WHAT THEY WANT, NOT ALL LINUX USERS WANT OSS ONLY.

Any opinions are welcome!!!

[Hidden Driveways]

buh bye!

[Abreaktor]

heh! i thought linux was dying a slow and silent death... less and less people hooking their machines up with it. it was really hot around 2000 in germany. interesting, tho i dont exactly see the need to delve into an os if you have one that FINALLY seems to run stable (windows xp). renoise is a good choice. cheers from düsseldorf!

[Tweaking Knobs]

There is still nothing like live in linus , yes you gor ardour , jack and many other stuff , but the workflow you got with live and the creativeness you got with live is still not in linux, im a win user , and i also use linux and open source software like Blender,inkscape and many many others, but i will switch to mac as soon as possible and keed linux.

fuck windows, it really sucks.

[Emissary]

OH MA GOD!! linux sucks the goats ball. Its ok for web browing and amateur stuff, but when you actually want to do anything you have to spend hours fiddling with shit. its worse than windows. This comes from someone who ran ubuntu for 3 years by the way.

[infiniteB]

see ya... wouldn't wanna be ya !

[rsaulo]

heh! i thought linux was dying a slow and silent death... less and less people hooking their machines up with it. it was really hot around 2000 in germany. interesting, tho i dont exactly see the need to delve into an os if you have one that FINALLY seems to run stable (windows xp). renoise is a good choice. cheers from düsseldorf!

Silenth death?? KKKKKK

Stick with XP and you ARE DEATH RIGHT NOW dude!!!! Your world now is VISTA ou WINDOWS 7, new OS, old problems.

WINDOWS XP is the BEST OS ever created by microsoft, but IS DEATH!!!

[rsaulo]

Thanx for the info. Don't forget to close the door on your way out.

Thansk abes payed customer.....

[xh9o]

linux is crap, hav tried several distros between 1998 and 2007. but its always the same stupid config issues/conflicts after a while. too many cooks for the soup.

and if i hate sth, then linux on dell notebooks/pc. harhar! before installing ubuntu you should solder n build "your very own" pc from a hardryer or sth. otherwise it would be a very halfhearted "revolution". spending on hardware instead of software, cause its hard and more "real"? especially a programmer, and many sooner linux users were programmers, should know better the value of programming software.

[rsaulo]

There is still nothing like live in linus , yes you gor ardour , jack and many other stuff , but the workflow you got with live and the creativeness you got with live is still not in linux, im a win user , and i also use linux and open source software like Blender,inkscape and many many others, but i will switch to mac as soon as possible and keed linux.

fuck windows, it really sucks.

That´s true, i really like live, and how you do things on it, an mac book pro is the choise, but too expensive to me, as I´m not in favour of pirate software (80% of live user in windows are live pirate software), i think that i can do almost everything with renoise and mixvibes, i´ll do it a try to this bundle, if my budget becomes larger into a near future, maybe an mac with live willl be the choice, otherwise, that´s config is good for me now.

[Moody]

Thought of this myself many times and always thought I would switch once there was some solid music apps for LNX but, I now have a good workflow in AL and I am not willing to give that up.

[rsaulo]

linux is crap, hav tried several distros between 1998 and 2007. but its always the same stupid config issues/conflicts after a while. too many cooks for the soup.

and if i hate sth, then linux on dell notebooks/pc. harhar! before installing ubuntu you should solder n build "your very own" pc from a hardryer or sth. otherwise it would be a very halfhearted "revolution". spending on hardware instead of software, cause its hard and more "real"? especially a programmer, and many sooner linux users were programmers, should know better the value of programming software.

You not get the point, I´m not saying that hardware is better than software, it´s just an case of MONEY dude, if you don´t have many dollars to spend you use WHAT YOU CAN, and in this case, if you cannot buy an MAC, you cannot run live stable in "production" environments IMHO, windows XP is DEATH, all new notebooks come with Windows VISTA OEM, WITHOUT XP drivers, VISTA SUCKS, so IMHO abes can deliver an linux version, but until this happens and I cannot spend many dollars I prefer change my software packages to something similar.

BTW, you can read an interesting article before saying that linux is crap http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

[rsaulo]

Thought of this myself many times and always thought I would switch once there was some solid music apps for LNX but, I now have a good workflow in AL and I am not willing to give that up.

You are right, in this case is not related to an OS problem, your workflow is good on AL, and there is no software that fits the same workflow, in my case, the "workflow" is not tied to AL, I can do it with Renoise and MixVibes, so I really are agreed to pay for an AL version on LINUX, but abes are not going to this direction, so I´ll use another packages until another software similar to live brings up or abes port AL to linux.

So, thanks for the reply.

[rsaulo]

Thanx for the info. Don't forget to close the door on your way out.

Thansk abes payed customer.....

So YOU never owned it in the first place.


As for linux, how much driver support is there?

You have ALSA, OSS and for professional audio JACK, that´s kick off all windows stuff, with jack for example, you DON´T NEED REWIRE!!! you can connect any audio app to any audio app. See yourself (http://jackaudio.org/)

For driver support, i currently use an M-Audio Fast Track Pro USB, TRIGGER FINGER and an XPONENT without the need to install any driver, ubuntu studio recognize all this stuuf with NO CONFIGURATION.

I remember so many times I needed to reinstall m-audio drivers on my XP box due to stability problems with windows.

Be clear that it´s not my opinion with an Apple solution, it´s another world, the problem with Apple for me is only the $$$$$

teers

[Moody]

Thought of this myself many times and always thought I would switch once there was some solid music apps for LNX but, I now have a good workflow in AL and I am not willing to give that up.

You are right, in this case is not related to an OS problem, your workflow is good on AL, and there is no software that fits the same workflow, in my case, the "workflow" is not tied to AL, I can do it with Renoise and MixVibes, so I really are agreed to pay for an AL version on LINUX, but abes are not going to this direction, so I´ll use another packages until another software similar to live brings up or abes port AL to linux.

So, thanks for the reply.

I have been for them bundling AL with its own LNX OS for years. I would prefer to never have to go into the OS just boot into AL and have my way with the app and that is it but, I doubt they have the time or resoures for the development. I guess I could write them a check.