[heh] - Plug-in Latency

wmayhem · Post by **wmayhem** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:14 pm

XP SP2 - Live 8 Beta 11

Compared with Live 7.0.14, plug-in latency has increased quite a bit with Live 8 Beta 11.

Whereas, with my current set up, VST instruments and Live Plugins (i.e. Operator, etc.) were playable (with Axiom MIDI controller) with almost unnoticeable latency on Live 7, the latency has increased so that it's "unplayable", on the same exact Live set, with Live 8 Beta 11.

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:18 pm

Hi,

Can you make sure you have the same settings as in Live 7:
- In the Preferences, Audio tab, for the buffer size, and Driver error Compensation. (basically look at the overall latency).
- In the Preferences, CPU tab, for the Plugin Buffer Size.

If you've got the same settings: do you get the problem with any plugin, or only some?

Regards,
Amaury

wmayhem · Post by **wmayhem** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:28 pm

Hi. I have the exact same settings for Live 7 and Live 8 (audio and cpu). Multicore support is on (Quadcore 6600).

Latency affects all plug-ins as far as I can tell.

Thanks.

kenporter · Post by **kenporter** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:10 pm

I am having a similar issue but in my case only when my virus ti control plugin is in the session. You don't happen to use a virus ti desktop or anything do you?

wmayhem · Post by **wmayhem** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:11 pm

No on the Virus, but I am using a UAD-1 card and have some of those effects instantiated in the set in question.

wmayhem · Post by **wmayhem** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:43 pm

I started with a blank set and then built it back up using the same routing and plugs that I had in the legacy Live 7 template (which caused latency in beta 11)... After rebuilding the set from scratch, I'm no longer getting latency issues.

djgrow · Post by **djgrow** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:16 am

kenporter wrote:I am having a similar issue but in my case only when my virus ti control plugin is in the session. You don't happen to use a virus ti desktop or anything do you?

I am using a virus ti as well and i am now having latency issues. It will record on time but when I play the virus it is mad behind! And now my time line indicator and meters are reacting a full two bars behind what I hear! If I turn delay comp off my meters bounce on time again but everything sounds out of time. I just built a new machine and ironically that was when I moved to version 3 of the virus control software. Should I roll back? I love os3 and will miss it greatly though:( Has anyone found out how to deal with this? Thanks in advance for any attempt to help me...I really don't want to go back to using Nuendo I just love writing in Live its like an extension of your body...but mines sick unfortunately.

lukas412 · Post by **lukas412** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:42 am

I am having issues with Virus Control in beta 20. A set that works with next to no latency in 7.0.14 is unusable in 8. When the VC plugin is in use all of live is affected by the latency. When monitoring an input it is very latent. When disabling delay compensation the latency goes away. Live 7 does not perform this way. Identical settings in both versions of live.

Core i7 920 @ 3.54ghz
Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD3R
3GB Corsair Dominator
RME Multiface @ 64 samples (5.06ms round trip)
Virus TI Desktop OS 3.0.1.06 (as audio buffer)
Live 8b20

Henrik Hahn · Post by **Henrik Hahn** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:17 am

Hi,

please make sure you are using ASIO drivers with your RME card and better try the latest stable driver release for your Virus TI (2.7.5).

thanks and best regards

Henrik

lukas412 · Post by **lukas412** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:45 pm

Yes I'm using asio drivers with my RME. Like I said, the exact same set works perfectly in live 7. I have tried in live 8 with 2.7.5 as well. Same result.

DessieK · Post by **DessieK** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:53 pm

Hi,

I have also come across this problem, in my experience there are serious latency issues with the Access Virus and Ableton 8 beta.
i have a mic line in through a Fireface, and when the TI plugin is present(even on another track), a very noticeable delay is introduced...

Henrik Hahn · Post by **Henrik Hahn** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:11 pm

Hi lukas412,

its not only the question of loading the same set. Please check in Lives Preferences if all Buffer Settings are the same as in Live 7 (Loading a Live Set does not affect Buffer settings in the preferences)
Try an Audio Buffer Size of your choice and set the Plugin Buffer Size to: 'As Audio Buffer'. This works fine here and the Virus does not produce a higher latency as in Live 7.

lukas412 · Post by **lukas412** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:18 pm

Henrik Hahn wrote:Hi lukas412,

its not only the question of loading the same set. Please check in Lives Preferences if all Buffer Settings are the same as in Live 7 (Loading a Live Set does not affect Buffer settings in the preferences)
Try an Audio Buffer Size of your choice and set the Plugin Buffer Size to: 'As Audio Buffer'. This works fine here and the Virus does not produce a higher latency as in Live 7.

Yes I am positive the settings are the same in both live 7 and live 8. That was of course the first thing I checked.

Luke

lukas412 · Post by **lukas412** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:43 pm

Ok a little more detail.

Virus control on chan 1, external input on chan 2 with mpc running into it.

delay comp on - virus latency feels ok, input from mpc is very latent.
delay comp off - virus latency feels ok, inputs from mpc are not latent.

In the above running live 8b21, virus control 2.7.5
soft reset the virus.
cleared prefs.cfg in live.
RME Asio drivers set to 64 samples.
use audio buffer for pluigins in live.

Virus control is working fantastic in live 7.

Thanks,

Luke

DessieK · Post by **DessieK** » Sun May 17, 2009 8:13 am

I'm happy now,
for me, this one appears to have been solved!

thanks!

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