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here is kinda common way to gain interesting loops or reusable audio fragments:
1. Render some short sounds
2. Group some short sounds along the timeline, carefully adjusting the overlapping parts
3. Re-use the grouped sounds (as a clip)?

Currently there are only two ways to make somethin'-like-this happen:
1. Utilizing sampler (but then we cannot see the waveform and cannot adjust the overlapping parts precisely and with Bezier curves)
2. Consolidating short audio clips on multiple tracks into a longer one. Well - we can control everything precisely, but the result is fixed (monolithic), thus we cannot modify it easily.

It would be great to have an option like "composite clip" (composite design pattern even? - A group of clips is a clip (midi or audio, not intermixed).

We would be able to re-arrange parts of each composite clip and in future to control some re-arrangement parameters with LFO or something (for example, to slightly modify the starting timings, getting an effect of a "human play"). But that's too much - having an option to group and re-group audio/midi clips would be amazingly enough :>

For me it would simplify the workflow and open an additional creative possibilities (in particular, some loop slicing techniques that are currently done in a much more comfortable way in Cubase/Nuendo).

Tried to be as precise and illustrative as I can. Any thoughts, please? Does anyone think that the proposed functionality might be helpful for her?

I agree with you completely, and I have actually proposed this in the past.
I used the term "meta-clips", because they are clips that hold clips.
A stupid name, but it makes it easy for me to find on the forum

here you are, a thread from 2005 !
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... =metaclips

I continue to hope for some kind of solution here. They would allow us to use Session for more than simply monolithic blocks of audio. They would allow Arrangement to become 'non-linear' . When a whole section of a song could be held in a few 'metaclips' or group clips, and a user could re-arrange their song by using Session.

because currently, once I start arranging I hardly use Session. With this method - the arrangement would be more fully assembled from Session.

Well, I still hope that someday they will see the light on this one.

well, your example is stylish and the discussion becomes kinda too broad, but the idea is the same: we'll be happy to have an opportunity to group clips in a non-destructive manner.

anyone else? anymore arguments, please?