Ableton Forum

First post excuse the n00b thanks in advance !

Since upgrading to ableton 8 I have noticed that serious artifacts are creeping in on warped tracks with lots of bass- although the artifacts seem to be a high end whining noise. If the master tempo is equal to the track tempo this does not occur however even with the slightest adjustment to the master tempo even BPM +1 the sound quality deteriorates heavily. I am mixing with lots of tracks with slightly different tempos so no one tempo will work for all my tracks. I am aware that warping causes some artifacts but I have been using ableton for many years and have not heard anything like this. Im unsure if its just some of the settings have changed since I upgraded and not with ableton 8 itself as such.If anyone has any idea or suggestions on how to limit this I will be in your debt.

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PC: E6600 4gb ram xp

Yes this has been the case with Live 8 for me as well. To avoid it turn off auto-warp long samples in the preferences and warp the track yourself. For some reason Live's automatic placement of warp markers (at least in my case) really creates a TON of artifacts.

Also, on another note Live 8 always gets the timing wrong on auto-warp long samples and starts it half a bar too late and off beat. Another reason to warp the track yourself.

If only we could still flip the loop bar by pressing arrow up and copy paste 8 bar warp markers throughout the track like we used to in 6 and 7.......warping was so much faster and easier with that trick. Not being able to copy paste warp markers in 8 is annoying.

At least I know im not alone ! I cant work out if my settings have changed or its the new warping system (which i was loving till now). Does anybody have any tips on reducing these artifacts ? I am using the complex warp with only two warp markers per song usually (no heavy warping just enough so the beats match up). OR any other recomendations on how to beat match songs without warping? im mixing live with full mp3 tracks.

Thanks in advance

when i first installed Live 8 i noticed the same thing but i think the reason is the new Live defaults to warp in Beat mode rather than Tone mode. If you toggle back to Tone you shouldn't really hear any more artifacts than in the previous version. At least that's what worked for me. The Beat warp actually does some cool sounding stuff if you change up to preserve 1 bar, almost like Beat Repeat.

I agree - warping is still too clunky IMO.

I'm trying to use a MIDI track as a bpm/beat/bar marker on a song that has a lot of tempo changes, and then when I bring in the audio track, the warp markers are off the beats, or slightly behind the beats.

Stretching/warping the audio in complex pro still leaves glitchy artifacts on long tracks.

FWIW I work mostly in scene mode, not yet doing much work in arrange mode.

Greg

I messed around with the warping style - complex pro and manually warped some of the tracks again this seems to be the best overall, the artifacts are still there but way more bearable now. The pitch and volume of the artifacts has been reduced a good bit, doubt anyone other than myself would notice at this point.

Thx to blanketship , junkdrop1 and swivet for the help !

complex pro is probably the best way to go, but it's also more of a resource hog.
I think once you're done warping, you can just freeze the track and that will help reduce overhead.

Greg