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I didn't think anyone advertised CDs on TV anymore, let alone someone as 'underground' as the ol' DM... Maddun'!

With a top 40 UK chart hit, and an album released on Ministry, how underground is he?

Well i know how far underground id like to put him.....nah thats unfair as i actually like a couple of his tracks

This guy is now as mainstream as Kanye West, Justin Timberlake or Beyonce these days and makes Justice and Tiesto seem like uber indie underground artists, in spite of being one of the most average-mediocre DJ/electronic musicians of recent times. He must have one hell of a good promoter/manager - that's all I can say. If it's as easy as wearing a silly mask, we should all do it immediately and start rolling in the coin Baggsy I get the DeadPluto mask, love those floppy dog ears and goofy smile !!

sven303 wrote:Well i know how far underground id like to put him.....nah thats unfair as i actually like a couple of his tracks

I know what you mean. His album isn't actually that bad, although it drags on. Every track is twice as long as it needs to be, but I suppose a half hour album wouldn't have got him signed.

timwright wrote:With a top 40 UK chart hit, and an album released on Ministry, how underground is he?

Underground enough for me! I know shiz all about chart music...

logic_user99 wrote:Underground enough for me!

Is that an important factor in what you like? As long as it ain't chart, right?

We have some brave people here who admit to actually owning the Deadrat album. These people are right up there with Iraq war veterans in their bravery for me Hopefully you won't be left with post traumatic stress disorder after listening, but I wouldn't guarantee it ...

fo sho !! Shall expect to see the Ravemonster's CD on TV in between Pepto Bismol and Huggies Pullups during peak viewing hours very soon.

Well at least that beats the hell out of the shit Celtic music infomercials we get here in the states. And they always have to do a Celine Dion song. Her or Bryan Adams. Why? And they look like they got dressed in the 70's, and I'm not talking Disco 70's. I'm talking senior prom 70's. WTF?

timwright wrote:With a top 40 UK chart hit, and an album released on Ministry, how underground is he?

or how clever? depends on how you look at it.

SubFunk wrote:

timwright wrote:With a top 40 UK chart hit, and an album released on Ministry, how underground is he?

or how clever? depends on how you look at it.

Not really. How do you compare cleverness with being underground? If you're referring to his success, then yeah he's clever but he's still mainstream now.

timwright wrote:

SubFunk wrote:

timwright wrote:With a top 40 UK chart hit, and an album released on Ministry, how underground is he?

or how clever? depends on how you look at it.

Not really. How do you compare cleverness with being underground? If you're referring to his success, then yeah he's clever but he's still mainstream now.

i mean the succsess, it's a tricky game and for me difficult to judge, cause i often don't know the border... are you automatic mainstream because you have popular succsess? or does your music become good or bad because loads of people like it?

SubFunk wrote:i mean the succsess, it's a tricky game and for me difficult to judge, cause i often don't know the border... are you automatic mainstream because you have popular succsess? or does your music become good or bad because loads of people like it?

I don't think it changes whether the music is good or bad. But mainstream is mainstream. If it's in the charts then you have officially crossed from underground to mainstream.

Don't assume that mainstream = bad, but that was kinda the point I was getting at earlier on. Does he really have to be underground for his fans to stay loyal?? I'll bet there's a few who jump off the bandwagon if he continues to become more commercially accepted.

timwright wrote:

SubFunk wrote:i mean the succsess, it's a tricky game and for me difficult to judge, cause i often don't know the border... are you automatic mainstream because you have popular succsess? or does your music become good or bad because loads of people like it?

I don't think it changes whether the music is good or bad. But mainstream is mainstream. If it's in the charts then you have officially crossed from underground to mainstream.

Don't assume that mainstream = bad, but that was kinda the point I was getting at earlier on. Does he really have to be underground for his fans to stay loyal?? I'll bet there's a few who jump off the bandwagon if he continues to become more commercially accepted.