Ableton Forum

The following post just appeared in the Cubase.net forums.....



quote:

6 of september Steinberg will annouce SX3:
• audio warp realtime stretchin
• pattern style arranging
• new edits functions"



Now I remember that Steinberg licenced a version of Live a year or 2 back and called it something different...........maybe that licence arrangement has just been expanded.


In any event....very interesting

too late!

The reason Live has turned so many people is because it was designed from the ground up as a 'sequencer instrument' - basically adhering to the principle that musicians since time began PLAY INSTRUMENTS and the big sequencers were intended as replacements for recording studios - which they do well, but Live has effectively cut out the middle man so now you can jam, write, sequence, record and perform all at once.

I want my music production to be as quick and effortless as possible so I can concentrate on the music and not get bogged down for hours in menus and parameters and loads of crap which is really not needed unless you're maybe writing scores for orchestras etc. If only I could have back the time I've wasted over the years fucking about with midi and other Logi-base type stuff I could probably write a dozen albums.

The reason guitars dominated the 20th century is because they were easily accessable to anyone, simple and straightforward - you could be a one man band and play it anywhere. Finally technology is allowing electronic music to get that way so that you can play the laptop as an instrument. With live 4 you can literally play it with the qwerty keyboard.

The problem with cubase etc is they're continually building on top of an old established concept. The reason live will continue to have the advantage is because it's simplicity started from the ground up as the main philosophy behind it was to play with it live, so it never distracts from the most important factor - the music.

forge wrote:too late!


The problem with cubase etc is they're continually building on top of an old established concept. The reason live will continue to have the advantage is because it's simplicity started from the ground up as the main philosophy behind it was to play with it live, so it never distracts from the most important factor - the music.

I agree

I'm glad Live 4 has gone Midi, I would never have looked at it if not, I just hope the Midi side gets stronger in future updates/upgrades but still keeps things simple, then for me it will be a real contender to the big ones.

In fact i just sold my buggase SX2...
Further than copy LIVE maybe they should work on the basic code of their Ever-hungry application...

krikor wrote:In fact i just sold my buggase SX2...
Further than copy LIVE maybe they should work on the basic code of their Ever-hungry application...

true. I do some work for a studio that's still on 1.06 and it's buggy and money's been tight so they haven't even oked the v2 upgrade yet - but will steinberg carry on bug fixing their still legit retail version 1.06? It hasn't been updated since before v2 so it looks like they will only release updates you have to pay for

And steinberg wonders why people crack their shit.
If they would have costumer support like Ableton has...
Steinberg is just a plain money-storing warehouse. They release stuff as being revolutionary and re-newing. you cant take any of them serious because they even lie in e-mails.

Hello?
Bye Bye Steinberg, you may still be the top for people who dont know any better. But you still suck for fast production (both nuendo and cubase)
with fast production i mean. dont loose your track when pondering over the manual.

Who is this Mr. Steinberg you talk about???!!

C

Credo wrote:Who is this Mr. Steinberg you talk about???!!

C

one for the archaeologists - ancient history!

I think the main problem is that Steinberg is now a PINEACLE division, and as always in bigger company, some people just don't give a shit about the fact their Steinberg division products is going down as they still sell a lot due to their famous historical name...

krikor wrote:I think the main problem is that Steinberg is now a PINEACLE division, and as always in bigger company, some people just don't give a shit about the fact their Steinberg division products is going down as they still sell a lot due to their famous historical name...

sadly, in these globalised times we have to get used to that kind of crap, it's the same everywhere - there was another thread a short while ago where some I was bitching about symantec for the same reason - the bigger these fish get, the more us little customers start to get seen as plankton

Its a little pathetic slagging of Steiny, How quickly people forget that they invented ASIO and VSTi and fx (that you are probably all using in Live)-

I have had Cubase since atari days and still remember the total 'magic' of VST....from MIDI only to recording AUDIO on a computer drive!!

Live 4 is great, but I wouldn't want to score strings etc., or try and record a band in a studio- every tool has its place- SX 2 is STILL a great music recording tool that generally has far more power than most ofn us will ever need....as for SX 3 doing what live does....did before with dynamic events, warp etc etc....I still don't think SX will be a 'looping' tool (even with INTAKT etc which is how I drop loops) but it will be great to drop in a beat synced loop (even better if it matches key like ACID!)

No doubt Steinberg helped develop some key technologies but Cubase 2 on my mac is a pile of dung.

forge wrote:too late!
etc, etc.....

Very well said by forge. The future is modular, no doubt about that! Cubase, Logic and other "dinosaur workstations" might become obsolete very quickly. After leaving Atari ten years ago I've done almost everything in Logic but with Live this has changed. Still need Logic to master the stuff I do in Live though. But I think small applications like Numerology, Live and different plug-ins will be all you need. Computers will turn into modular workspaces instead of "do-it-all-in-one-application DAWs".

Actually Cubase on Atari was quite modular too. You could simply disconnect the features you had no need for. And Cubase on Atari was much more performance oriented thatn SX by today (what a shame!). You could assign mute groups to the function keys and "play" an arrangement on the fly like you do in Live.