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i installed Snow Leopard quite recently and I have to say Live's performance has improved drastically, at least for my Core 2 Duo Macbook, since Apple obviously solved the annoying speed-step issue, which made my CPU jump to 88%, when playing the Performance-Test. Now it's 48%, so you see what I mean.

BUT, since my system upgrade I found one nasty bug (which is actually good, just one bug after a system upgrade, but though), that can be very easily reproduced. Just load any piece of audio anywhere and switch the warp mode to "Complex" or from Complex to something else, especially while the track is playing. Voilà, Live crashes instantly and it's not asking me anything like "do you want to restore your last liveset" when i start it up again. So my "workflow" is, SAVE the Liveset, stop playback and cross fingers, before switching warp modes. I can't tell 100% if just the use of Complex mode is already reason enough to make Live crash, but it happened already.

I didn't have this issue with Leopard, it has nothing to do with Plugins or something, since i turned them off and i use Live 7.0.16. I tried the Demo of Live 8 and there this problem didn't occur either.

So will there be a last update for Live 7, or do i have to upgrade to solve this issue.

thanks

Sorry to hear about your crashing.

Anybody else running Live 7.0.16 & Snow Leopard with this problem?



I'm on the same version of Live, & want to upgrade to Snow Leopard at some point in the future.

Fuzzbinder wrote:i installed Snow Leopard quite recently and I have to say Live's performance has improved drastically, at least for my Core 2 Duo Macbook, since Apple obviously solved the annoying speed-step issue, which made my CPU jump to 88%, when playing the Performance-Test. Now it's 48%, so you see what I mean.

BUT, since my system upgrade I found one nasty bug (which is actually good, just one bug after a system upgrade, but though), that can be very easily reproduced. Just load any piece of audio anywhere and switch the warp mode to "Complex" or from Complex to something else, especially while the track is playing. Voilà, Live crashes instantly and it's not asking me anything like "do you want to restore your last liveset" when i start it up again. So my "workflow" is, SAVE the Liveset, stop playback and cross fingers, before switching warp modes. I can't tell 100% if just the use of Complex mode is already reason enough to make Live crash, but it happened already.

I didn't have this issue with Leopard, it has nothing to do with Plugins or something, since i turned them off and i use Live 7.0.16. I tried the Demo of Live 8 and there this problem didn't occur either.

So will there be a last update for Live 7, or do i have to upgrade to solve this issue.

thanks

L7 is not cerified for Snow-Leopard, neither L8 is. Read Dom's sticky.
Write support.

- Best Regards
- Pasha

yes, i read dom's sticky. but my post was more like a concrete warning on the one side, and also the question if 7.0.16 is really, really the last version of live 7.. (which i don't hope)

Doesn't happen for me.. Live 804 / Mac Pro

I recreated this problem 5 times in a row. Anytime you modify the warp mode selector during audio playback, Live crashes hard. Although, I was prompted with the recovery option.
Live 7.0.16 and Snow Leopard.

I'm crossing my fingers there will be an update for 7.

remcoy wrote:Doesn't happen for me.. Live 804 / Mac Pro

Perhaps because you're using Live 8...

Same issue here. On the few occasions that Live hasn't crashed when switching warp modes... If switching into complex mode from another mode the sound quality turns into what I would describe as 'the equivalent of a 64kbps mp3!' The only way to get the quality back up to what it should be is to restart Live.

I'm having the complex warping problem on 7 too in Snow Leopard.

Can any 8 users in Snow Leopard confirm that 8 doesn't have this problem?

I can confirm that Complex mode in older Live versions is incompatible with Snow Leopard. The Complex mode is based on zPlane's "Elastique Efficient" algorithm (www.zplane.de). zPlane has already released a fix for it. There will most likely be a final update for Live 7 which includes this fix.

Live 8 is not affected, because it uses v2.1 of Elastique Efficient which works fine in SL.

Best,
Nico

Hey that is great news Nico.

I actually rolled back my Mac OS to 10.5.7 yesterday as the problems with Live 7.0.16 & SL were getting to me, It's perfect now but would like to go back to SL at some point in the future.

Apart from the complex mode of Live 7 causing instability some of my plugs were crashing Live too, namely ABL2 and Phoscyon, whilst I understand that this could be due to the 3rd party plug being incompatible I thought i'd mention it, just incase you haven't already got enough testing to do!

when can we expect a fix for live 7 ??

Have been having major issues, and now have no option but to roll back to 10.5

Same issue here with Live 7.0.16 and OS X 10.6.1.

Submitted a bug report, but already figured it was probably down to the architectural changes in Snow Leopard that are the cause.

I do hope that there can be a patch for 7, but I wonder if because Snow Leopard has changed quite a lot, that it would require almost an entire re-write of Live?

[nis] wrote:I can confirm that Complex mode in older Live versions is incompatible with Snow Leopard. The Complex mode is based on zPlane's "Elastique Efficient" algorithm (http://www.zplane.de). zPlane has already released a fix for it. There will most likely be a final update for Live 7 which includes this fix.

Live 8 is not affected, because it uses v2.1 of Elastique Efficient which works fine in SL.

Best,
Nico

When will Ableton release a fix?