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Hey,

Seeing as how folks were asking in my other post about stuff, i thought i'd post up a massive patch.

The original post is here along with the track, have a listen - all the synth stabs are variants of one similar to the patch below.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=125092

It's pretty basic - play a D minor chord in the C3 range to begin with.

Start playing with modulation on the cutodd envelopes decay and release, maybe play with panning, reverb size. Try different OSC settings, play with filtter types etc etc... add a delay after massive, play with masssives delays, remove the verb in the patch and add your own after. up to you ... have fun!

Massive patch here

http://www.sendspace.com/file/yiycc2

Anyone else out there doing this kind of sound design in the genre feel free to stick your patches up!

Thank you Jeskola, this is really helpful!!!

Hope to hear more tracks from you. Also your other tracks a very good. You know your shit.

Uwe

jeskola01 wrote:Hey,

Seeing as how folks were asking in my other post about stuff, i thought i'd post up a massive patch.

The original post is here along with the track, have a listen - all the synth stabs are variants of one similar to the patch below.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=125092

It's pretty basic - play a D minor chord in the C3 range to begin with.

Start playing with modulation on the cutodd envelopes decay and release, maybe play with panning, reverb size. Try different OSC settings, play with filtter types etc etc... add a delay after massive, play with masssives delays, remove the verb in the patch and add your own after. up to you ... have fun!

Massive patch here






http://www.sendspace.com/file/yiycc2

Anyone else out there doing this kind of sound design in the genre feel free to stick your patches up!

can you post a screenshot? cause I'd love to try to recreate it with other synths

Zygi,

Which synth you using?

i would also appreciate a screenshot from your patch!

Osc 1 – saw wave
Osc2 – PWM (detuned slightly)
Add a Filter...a lowpass.
Cutoff is modulated (open) by env 1 to taste (play with decay – or even better modulate this with an LFO)

Add a big reverb after this

Play a chord D minor (down low - around C2, or C1)

that's it.

Analog/ Operator Thank you - constructed just as i thought

Hey all,

As promised, here is my tutorial on how to make a nice dubby synth stab.
It's the basis of most of my sounds, and with a bit of tinkering you will get a lot out of it

I have used Massive, but you could do it with just about any synth.

Please note, i am not professing to be an expert sound designer, nor engineer, so some of technique or wording may be wrogn - but hey it's the end result that counts yeah !

This is the noise we will be making today:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lpfqfz

So to begin with - i always set up a simple midi loop over a couple of bars, in this case playing C minor in C1 (it is important the sound is a chord, and also important it is in the low range). I find this helps with the sound design process as you can hear the changes live as you tinker and don't have to worry about hitting keys all the time.

The reason i have not posted a patch is because it will be much more fun for you to put this together yourself, and in doing so see what parameters affect what, so you might have your own ideas how to improve or create a new sound from this.

This small tutorail is assuming you have basic understanding of Massive and it's routing/modulation functions.

I hope it is of help.

So - onto Massive...

Set up as such - (i have used clock face settings as this is universal):

Osc 1 - sq/saw1
wave table @5o'clock, intensity @1o'clock, amp @3o'clock.

Osc 2 - Va-pwm (detune to +30 or there abouts)
wt 5oclock, Pulse width 1oclock, amp 1oclock

no other osc, noise/feedback/modulation off.

Both Osc filters set to F1(all the way to the top)

Filter to serial

Filter 1 set to Lowpass 4, cutoff set to 3oclock,
resonance to 10oclock.

drop mod envelope 4 (one of the blue ones) on to cutoff, set to modulate back from 3 to 12oclock.

Filter 2 off

env4 settings -
attack to 7oclock, lvl to 5oclock
decay to 12oclock, lvl to 12oclock
Release to 7oclock

effect1 to reverb.
set to : dry/wet to 9oclock, size to 3oclock, density to 5oclock, colour to 5oclock.

Eq:
Low - 12
rest to 5.

That should be a lovely sounding Dubby noise...
If not... go back and make sure all your settings are the same and you are playing a minor chord.

Once you have done this noise - you can now try to spice things up.
Try for example...

Insert 2 (make it last INS2 in routing tab, above effect1 in routing diagram) : Bitcrush - dry/wet to 9oclock, crush to 10oclock. This adds some nice white noise/static effect.

Or , perhaps....

add LFO6 to moudlate res on filter 1. If res is 10oclock, mod from 7oclock to 1oclock . Set LFO 6 to sync 1/12... Very nice wobbly yes?!

Or, perhaps....

add LFO6 to moudlate decay on env4. If decay is 12, mod from 7 to 5
Set LFO 6 to sync 1/12 - Play with this Try playing with release on env 4 too... modulate perhaps!!! Very nice

add LFO6 to moudlate cutoff... cool effect!

Basically experiment, try modulate everything

I hope this was of help to you.

I have a bank of 10 patches for you coming soon.

I just tied it and it DOES sound quite good.

Where you say "detune to +30 or there abouts" you should change that to +0.30. +30 means +30.00 which of course it way too much.

jeskola01 wrote:Hey all,

As promised, here is my tutorial on how to make a nice dubby synth stab.
It's the basis of most of my sounds, and with a bit of tinkering you will get a lot out of it

I have used Massive, but you could do it with just about any synth.

Please note, i am not professing to be an expert sound designer, nor engineer, so some of technique or wording may be wrogn - but hey it's the end result that counts yeah !

This is the noise we will be making today:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lpfqfz

So to begin with - i always set up a simple midi loop over a couple of bars, in this case playing C minor in C1 (it is important the sound is a chord, and also important it is in the low range). I find this helps with the sound design process as you can hear the changes live as you tinker and don't have to worry about hitting keys all the time.

The reason i have not posted a patch is because it will be much more fun for you to put this together yourself, and in doing so see what parameters affect what, so you might have your own ideas how to improve or create a new sound from this.

This small tutorail is assuming you have basic understanding of Massive and it's routing/modulation functions.

I hope it is of help.

So - onto Massive...

Set up as such - (i have used clock face settings as this is universal):

Osc 1 - sq/saw1
wave table @5o'clock, intensity @1o'clock, amp @o'clock.

Osc 2 - Va-pwm (detune to +30 or there abouts)
wt 5oclock, Pulse width 1oclock, amp 1oclock

no other osc, noise/feedback/modulation off.

Both Osc filters set to F1(all the way to the top)

Filter to serial

Filter 1 set to Lowpass 4, cutoff set to 3oclock,
resonance to 10oclock.

drop mod envelope 4 (one of the blue ones) on to cutoff, set to modulate back from 3 to 12oclock.

Filter 2 off

env4 settings -
attack to 7oclock, lvl to 5oclock
decay to 12oclock, lvl to 12oclock
Release to 7oclock

effect1 to reverb.
set to : dry/wet to 9oclock, size to 3oclock, density to 5oclock, colour to 5oclock.

Eq:
Low - 12
rest to 5.

That should be a lovely sounding Dubby noise...
If not... go back and make sure all your settings are the same and you are playing a minor chord.

Once you have done this noise - you can now try to spice things up.
Try for example...

Insert 2 (make it last INS2 in routing tab, above effect1 in routing diagram) : Bitcrush - dry/wet to 9oclock, crush to 10oclock. This adds some nice white noise/static effect.

Or , perhaps....

add LFO6 to moudlate res on filter 1. If res is 10oclock, mod from 7oclock to 1oclock . Set LFO 6 to sync 1/12... Very nice wobbly yes?!

Or, perhaps....

add LFO6 to moudlate decay on env4. If decay is 12, mod from 7 to 5
Set LFO 6 to sync 1/12 - Play with this Try playing with release on env 4 too... modulate perhaps!!! Very nice

add LFO6 to moudlate cutoff... cool effect!

Basically experiment, try modulate everything

I hope this was of help to you.

I have a bank of 10 patches for you coming soon.

dentaku wrote:I just tied it and it DOES sound quite good.

Where you say "detune to +30 or there abouts" you should change that to +0.30. +30 means +30.00 which of course it way too much.

thanks! my mistake.

I should add - you can hear this noise/patch in this new track:

http://soundcloud.com/breakitdown/low-winter-sun

I have made a bank of 10 patches (nearly all in that track), which i will be posting up soon.

Great Patch ! thanks

jeskola01 wrote:
I should add - you can hear this noise/patch in this new track:

http://soundcloud.com/breakitdown/low-winter-sun

I have made a bank of 10 patches (nearly all in that track), which i will be posting up soon.

This is a very good tune.

Hi,

Can anybody explain to me how to recreate this tune in Ableton Operator? Im trying but not succeeding yet

Thanks.

Arjan

Hey ,

Ok, so I have created a collection of Dub techno synth patches for Massive.
The patches all have several macro controls set up in them for you to customise the sounds.

You can hear samples of the patches here:
http://soundcloud.com/breakitdown/massive-patches

Each patch is separated by a clave, the patch loops and you can hear some tweaking of the macro controls on each pass of the loop.

I have been asked a lot about the sound designs of some of my other tracks - so I created a track "Low Winter Sun" with these patches.
The track can be found here to download:

http://stevefoulds.bandcamp.com/album/low-winter-sun

If you purchase the track I will send on the patches via email ! Please give me 24hrs to send on as i’m not always at my computer
(Paypal stores your email on purchase – I won’t use your address for any other purpose).

jeskola01 wrote:Hey ,

Ok, so I have created a collection of Dub techno synth patches for Massive.
The patches all have several macro controls set up in them for you to customise the sounds.

You can hear samples of the patches here:
http://soundcloud.com/breakitdown/massive-patches

Each patch is separated by a clave, the patch loops and you can hear some tweaking of the macro controls on each pass of the loop.

I have been asked a lot about the sound designs of some of my other tracks - so I created a track "Low Winter Sun" with these patches.
The track can be found here to download:

http://stevefoulds.bandcamp.com/album/low-winter-sun

If you purchase the track I will send on the patches via email ! Please give me 24hrs to send on as i’m not always at my computer
(Paypal stores your email on purchase – I won’t use your address for any other purpose).

Hey,

Has anyone used these patches to make any music?
Would love to hear some.

Also any feedback on how you find these patches.
I'm putting together a another set, a larger set of patches (50+) in a similar style, so any feedback would be appreciated (how you found them to use, the macro settings etc)

Thanks again for listening/buying.