Ableton Forum

As a well publicized Apple fanboy on here it really pains me to ask this, but I'm starting to wonder.

Apple is essentially a "one size fits all" company compared to PC users who babble on about different PC manufacturers, custom hardware configurations, and OS versions and tweaks.

Specifically in relationship to Live 8 you'll see people on Macs with pretty much the exact same computer and specs and on one computer it works flawlessly and on the other it's unusable, and compared to PC users there's not a lot of explanations or fixes.

This begs the question, WTF?

Different 3rd party plug-ins & soundcards?

Marketing hype exposed?

8O wrote:Different 3rd party plug-ins & soundcards?

bingo!

It's my impression that developers spend less time on beta testing macs, (which isn't that great for the end user), just a guess but it seems that way sometimes. Things become really solid after an initial .0 release flurry of bugs etc.

Macs are not magic. They are computers like PCs.

Macs are not magic. They are computers like PCs.

Right. However, the OS is not "like Windows."

p00ka wrote:

Right. However, the OS is not "like Windows."

This.

The main reason Mac > PC imo is OSX.

On topic of macs becoming more unstable. If anything Snow Leopard seems even more stable, not to suggest Leopard wasn't.

how can they become more unstable? they suck as it is.

/ducks

Mine has been totally flawless.

I haven't seen any complaints about Ableton without 3rd party plugins. Some of the people bitching mention stuff like using multiple instances of Massive etc.
So logical to assume in a number of cases it's user error rather than software or OS. Plus people cram their computers full of shit, then moan when none of it works how it's meant to...

Don't trust everything you read on the internet, one thing I have learnt in 22 years in this world is that people are fucking stupid.

Tone Deft wrote:how can they become more unstable? they suck as it is.

/ducks

Anyway, all I am saying is that Macs were never all stable without fail. Just like PCs, some machines would be stable and some not, depending on the setup.

However, as to whether Macs have become more unstable than before - valid question - this I do not know.

beats me wrote: you'll see people on Macs with pretty much the exact same computer and specs and on one computer it works flawlessly and on the other it's unusable

the answer is in the question. that's not a mac problem, that's user problem. which, compared to the pc world is.. the same, really.

there are also about 5 times as many macs in use these days as there were even a few years back. and since computers need users (which are probably more accident prone than any computer), there are bound to be more errors out there.

my other theory is that macs are (mostly) so easy to use and maintain that people treat them like shit and expect them to work forever and are deeply perplexed when an app crashes for the 1st time.

oh and there are the people who brainlessly update any OS or program as soon as there is a shiny new version number, without expecting any bugs. . surprise.

4.33 wrote:

beats me wrote: you'll see people on Macs with pretty much the exact same computer and specs and on one computer it works flawlessly and on the other it's unusable

the answer is in the question. that's not a mac problem, that's user problem. which, compared to the pc world is.. the same, really.

beat me to it

Sage wrote:Mine has been totally flawless.

I haven't seen any complaints about Ableton without 3rd party plugins. Some of the people bitching mention stuff like using multiple instances of Massive etc.
So logical to assume in a number of cases it's user error rather than software or OS. Plus people cram their computers full of shit, then moan when none of it works how it's meant to...

Don't trust everything you read on the internet, one thing I have learnt in 22 years in this world is that people are fucking stupid.

Mine's crashed twice today - L8.0.5 on OS X 10.5.8 (latest updates) with only my purchased u-he plug-ins in use (and they weren't enabled in the tracks I was manipulating when it crashed). Non-reproducible crashes. See the Support forum if you're interested...
It's definitely not user error. And anyway, as far as I'm concerned, user error should *never* result in a crash, it should just do nothing or show a warning.

Edit: oh, 3rd crash just now when I quit Live. User error...

the only thing worse than a conspiracy thread is a mac thread.