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Tried running a few DIPS example patches in a max device and they seemed to run fine.

That means you can run Quartz Composer patches within Max!

Looks like DIPS is incompatible with Jitter so its an either/or situation.

No idea about performace of qtz. Here's the link for Dips:

http://dips.dacreation.com/

gavspav wrote:Tried running a few DIPS example patches in a max device and they seemed to run fine.

That means you can run Quartz Composer patches within Max!

Looks like DIPS is incompatible with Jitter so its an either/or situation.

No idea about performace of qtz. Here's the link for Dips:

http://dips.dacreation.com/

That looks cool. I am definitely going to check it out.

Just for fun here's a screengrab of Vade's Screen Capture plugin running inside a QC patch inside DIPS inside M4L inside Live!

Its a bit like Russian Dolls.

http://002.vade.info/?page_id=4

ohh that is really top.. i'm a massive QC fan and would love to run QC patches directly inside live... wooohoo!

do you get sliders for published input and outputs?

There is access to published inputs/outputs and yes you could make sliders for them.

What I'm wondering is, whether the advantages of running a visual app inside Live outweigh the significant performance hit.

You can route 8 individual stereo tracks to Quartz Composer with Soundflower, sync to it with Midi Clock, send control data via midi or osc.

What is there you can't do already that can be achieved by running it inside Live?

I'm not saying there isn't anything - just wondering....

Gavspav - i agree that its not hugely difficult to do most things via IAC bus and Midi, but native sliders controlling stuff would be handy (for controlling movie clips for eg) and simplicity of midi mapping, etc all working within one app would be great. Why is performance so bad do you think? Because of the way Live is threaded?

I don't own the full version of Max so i'm not sure that the DIPS stuff will work for me just running the beta of M4L? Its giving me an error when i'm installing it.

Dunno for sure that performance is bad. Just felt like I was running one thing inside another inside another inside another.....
Also read somewhere on here that Cycling 74 advised heavy use of jitter to be run outside of Live.
Separate apps using separate processors often seems like a good idea too.
But hey having everything in one place is a big + too and computers these days are powerful.

Wouldn't have thought you needed to own Max to get DIPS to work. Maybe I'm just lucky!

Have you put it in the right place? Have you tried opening one of the example patches?

And stuff like that.

Yes it gave me an error message on install but it does seem to have put at least some on the example patches in my Max 5 folder. I just tried one of the example patches inside Max which worked also. Rather cool. I'm not quite sure how to make this a workable amxd but i'm sure thats another topic altogether.

Copy and paste the example code into your max device.
Replace the name of the .qtz in the example with your qtz.
Put your qtz in the same folder as the example patch.

nice one.. i'll give it a go..