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Time to dig out that Renoise licence methinks... (although the relatively minor upgrade fee would apply to me.)

EDIT: can't wait to try the Launchpad on this... and, ahem, OSC support is coming to Renoise!

nice.
i didn't read anything about good ole simple multi track audio recording. even though i know it can be done in the sample editor.
also i didn't see anything about transient based audio warping.
renoise is a real pain when it comes to that.

Using 2.5 beta for three days and I can say it's a massive update.

Yes! This looks awesome. I'm glad I haven't splurged for m4l yet...

myxomat0515 wrote:Yes! This looks awesome. I'm glad I haven't splurged for m4l yet...

Indeed.

Stability in a live setting is still a big question. But potentially they have just made Live redundant for me.

The reason I stopped using Renoise and committed to Live and the Launchpad was the lack of live performance potential in Renoise, and I got tired of rendering Renoise parts to audio and setting them up in Live. Looks like Renoise is back in the game!

YMMV, of course - nathannn's points will be very valid for a lot of Live users.

Knew that program would blow up sometime....

i got a license until 2.5 so whoohoo

This is what Ableton has to look forward to if they don't get it together. I love Live, but they can't put off forever the re-write to have session view CC automation recording, OSC, etc. Passing all of this off to M4L is not much of a solution either. Enough with the flimsy upgrades, high prices, drum machine add-ons and all that crap. There will soon be serious competition from lower-priced higher-featured programs.

ethios4 wrote:This is what Ableton has to look forward to if they don't get it together. I love Live, but they can't put off forever the re-write to have session view CC automation recording, OSC, etc. Passing all of this off to M4L is not much of a solution either. Enough with the flimsy upgrades, high prices, drum machine add-ons and all that crap. There will soon be serious competition from lower-priced higher-featured programs.

+1

I love Live. I really do. And Ableton has the right to charge what they think is fair for upgrades and additional content. It's up to the competition to challenge their position. And I say "bring it on!"

ethios4 wrote:This is what Ableton has to look forward to if they don't get it together. I love Live, but they can't put off forever the re-write to have session view CC automation recording, OSC, etc. Passing all of this off to M4L is not much of a solution either. Enough with the flimsy upgrades, high prices, drum machine add-ons and all that crap. There will soon be serious competition from lower-priced higher-featured programs.

Yep, the competition has woken up.
I've only recently noticed that Sonar has introduced a 'matrix view', which, although flawed is essentially Session View.
Now that won't kill Live, but Session is still Live's only real differentiating facet. So now we have two applications which appear to have stepped up to challenge. Neither of them will really make a dent in Live's userbase but it indicates that the grace-period of non-competition is over. Other linear apps are going non-linear.

What happens when Logic decides to introduce their version of Session ?
That would spell disaster for Live.

As much as I love Live and it is embedded into my workflow, if they don't come up with a major upgrade to Session and a non-linear arrangement methodology then their lead on the competition will be gone.

Angstrom wrote:

ethios4 wrote:This is what Ableton has to look forward to if they don't get it together. I love Live, but they can't put off forever the re-write to have session view CC automation recording, OSC, etc. Passing all of this off to M4L is not much of a solution either. Enough with the flimsy upgrades, high prices, drum machine add-ons and all that crap. There will soon be serious competition from lower-priced higher-featured programs.

Yep, the competition has woken up.
I've only recently noticed that Sonar has introduced a 'matrix view', which, although flawed is essentially Session View.
Now that won't kill Live, but Session is still Live's only real differentiating facet. So now we have two applications which appear to have stepped up to challenge. Neither of them will really make a dent in Live's userbase but it indicates that the grace-period of non-competition is over. Other linear apps are going non-linear.

What happens when Logic decides to introduce their version of Session ?
That would spell disaster for Live.

As much as I love Live and it is embedded into my workflow, if they don't come up with a major upgrade to Session and a non-linear arrangement methodology then their lead on the competition will be gone.

my thoughts, exactly... they need to regain focus on there strength, session / performance / live use...

+1 for session view development.

The other major advantage Live had over all other software for Live performance was stability. It is debatable whether this is the case anymore.

In the beginning, Live had a central concept - 'session view'. Renoise has a central concept too - the 'tracker' style - and you can be sure that the Renoise developers will be focussing on making that concept the best it can be.

They wont be expending time, energy and resources trying to steal customers from Steinberg etc.

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Double thumbs up for using Lua for scripting instead of Python or Javascript... 2.6 sounds like a lot of fun.

renoise finally gets modern sample slicing kudos for that but on a side note isn't it strange that most of our tech advances in hardware and software seem to produce the same song in that video, I wonder if we are actually being manipulated to build the first borg brain by the borg in the future sending back control messages through that song. why would i think this, because no matter what platform mac or pc or whether we use the lemur or launchpad or an iphone or whatever app/machine that comes from the future we always seem to play that song, it must be an alien language otherwise it's alot of trouble we go through all the scripting, monoming, progamming, etc + 600 core computers just to play that song.

The new features look promising... but...

How do you program sequences beyond strictly quantized patterns? I mean you can set the pattern length to a larger value and therefore have e.g. 128 steps for one bar, but what if I wanted to shift my clap just a tiiiiiiiny bit?

I've been using Impulse Tracker for years, before I got to know Ableton Live I was thinking that it is completely impossible to make noise out of my thoughts in a similar speed, but was proven wrong. Seeing the "tracker pattern view" makes my heart beat, but.... I can't work without those tiny shifts