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Use MIDI messages to switch sets ("Set List")

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:02 pm
by data
(Note: this may have been suggested already, but I figure that if multiple people suggest something, it's more likely to be implemented. ;) )

I'm planning to use Live on stage as a sort of uber-synth-workstation, where it will host plugins and instruments and do occasional sequencing.
The only problem is that to switch sets, I have to go to the computer and execute a command. I suppose I can get pretty fast at this, but there's no way this can be as fast as switching performances on my Motif. It would be great if Live could work the same way.

One way to implement this would be a "set list": you could get a number of Live Sets into a list, and each would be called up by a program change or other MIDI message -- notes or computer keys could be very useful here too. Another command would let you advance to the next set in the list.

I looked around for a plugin / instrument host that can work like this, but found none, so here's a chance for Live to become the first!

I know it still won't be as fast as a workstation, because Kontakt has to load all those darn samples, but that's the price you pay for using 1GB piano multisamples ;)

But maybe there *is* a way: you could preload sets. Live could load the presets for the next set and have it ready when you advanced to it. This wouldn't help for random access, but most of the time we go through the set list in order.

I bought Live 4 for studio use (it's replacing Logic); I didn't think I'd be using it in the situation suggested by its name. What a great program! Keep it up, you guys rock.

Play List and multiple tunes

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:45 pm
by dragonbyte
Hey Data,

take a look at this link

http://homepage.mac.com/digitalelements ... 4wish2.jpg

In my dream the white horizontal scenes can be called up by program changes!!!

take a look and comment if you will.

Chris

Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 2:04 am
by data
Looks very interesting -- I think this could work quite well for what I'm thinking, and fits in with the basic idea of Live (as I perceive it). Worth pondering, I think.

'Course I wouldn't mind a way to see all these mix groups -- would "scenes" be an appropriate term here? -- laid out somewhere in a grid of banks and numbers like a typical synth would have them; but that's probably nitpicking -- it's fine as long as they can all be assigned a program change.

It gives me another idea -- you could possibly use this as a basis for rudimentary CD mastering. Not necessarily what Live will ever specialise in, but you could use it to record a show, kind of like an "off the desk" mix but without the weirdo levels you'd get from a FOH mix.

(Of course *real* CD mastering will never again be possible for the rest of us until somebody writes a successor to WaveBurner ... may it rest in peace ... (damn and blast you, Apple!))

WaveBurner is back, sort of ...

Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 2:26 am
by data
It seems I spoke too soon. WaveBurner has resurfaced -- inside Logic. My very brief researches unfortunately indicate that it's not quite the program it once was.

Ah well. Back to DSP Quattro for now ...

Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 2:38 pm
by fugu
DP4 (now 4.5) has had this 'meta grouping' feature (called Chunks) for quite some time. it's really handy and completely midi controllable. .


hope this helps,


fugu